General News about the Sussex Family, Part Three: August-September 2020

[Heavs]

Tehy dont have any royal patronages any more. They retained some charities but they are not doing them as representatives of the queen. but its possible that yes they will be persauded to give up their UK charities in 2021....

Yes but only people like us who discuss this day in day out really know or care about the difference. Especially as they use their titles when Zooming them and presumably would when Instagram shows them "just popping in" to visit Luminary Bakery etc. And it gets much more murky because Meghan still is still officially patron of the National Theatre - a patronage she was given the the Queen, not to mention the Commonwealth stuff. Most people wouldn't realise the difference between "royal patronage" and "private patronage" in this context.

So if they do come over next summer they'll be able to do things like this and possibly Trooping to top up their royal credibility and fairy dust to show that they aren't just ordinary celebrities trying to sell you something, before heading back to the US to talk about how glad they're out of the toxic institution that is the monarchy and their nasty relatives again as well as back to topics they shouldn't really be talking about whilst using their titles. And Omid Scobie will be able to write another book about their experiences. Talking out of both sides of their mouths seems to be part of their business plan.

 

[Somebody]

Tehy dont have any royal patronages any more. They retained some charities but they are not doing them as representatives of the queen. but its possible that yes they will be persauded to give up their UK charities in 2021....

Yes, I understand what you mean. That's exactly my problem: they are now continuing with them as 'private royals'.

I was considering to put '(former)' in my previous posts. I was thinking about the charities that for example were handed down by the queen. Those were obviously royal patronages - with the main issue being that Harry and Meghan stepped down; not that they weren't supposed to be a patronage by a senior member of the royal family. Also, anything Commonwealth related I would strip.

Groups that never had a royal patron before would be borderline cases; organizations started by themselves would seem a little unfair to completely remove; except for those they worked on as part of a larger royal effort - those should remain in the royal fault.

 

[acdc1]

Yes, I understand what you mean. That's exactly my problem: they are now continuing with them as 'private royals'.

I was considering to put '(former)' in my previous posts. I was thinking about the charities that for example were handed down by the queen. Those were obviously royal patronages - with the main issue being that Harry and Meghan stepped down; not that they weren't supposed to be a patronage by a senior member of the royal family. Also, anything Commonwealth related I would strip.

Groups that never had a royal patron before would be borderline cases; organizations started by themselves would seem a little unfair to completely remove; except for those they worked on as part of a larger royal effort - those should remain in the royal fault.

I think that anything Commonwealth related needs to go, too. My theory is that the Commonwealth items were kept at first because Canada was H&M’s initial preferred place to settle, since they had connections there and that’s where many of Meghan’s close friends were. And I think it would be more acceptable for them to represent the Commonwealth if they were actually living in a Commonwealth country like Canada. But then things with immigration and residency came up, not to mention COVID, so they’ve decided to settle in California, where Meghan also has plenty of friends and connections (and her mother) and they have the ability to go the celebrity-philanthropist route and get involved in media production. Seeing as they’ve bought a house in California and probably will be spending negligible time in the UK or any Commonwealth country from here on out (nor do they appear to have any interest in making the U.K. their primary residence) I don’t think it’s appropriate for them to be representing the Commonwealth on behalf of the Queen.

 

[KellyAtLast]

And for the love of common sense will the powers that be tell them they are not allowed to use their titles anymore. Since Harry’s wife has such an issue with “rank” and because she’s “glad to be home for so many reasons” and because “if you don’t vote you don’t exist”

 

[cathy50]

I have tried to catch up with this thread and wonder how they manage to create a circle of friends around them at the new place.
In UK it did not work and seems as if Harry has no more friends left because M. does not like them or them not Meghan?
But how in the US? does Harry like Meghans friends or has he got simply no more opinion of his own? must be a very lonely time for him even when meeting her friends, you cannot make deep friendship& trust in a few weeks, nothing like a friendship started in childhood.

but I doubt the british people will be consequent if the couple comes back, they always cheer for them, line the streets and buy the staff... I never seen anything different from this, maybe its only here in this forum where people pay so much attention and make up their mind.
or am I wrong? i cannot imagine mass of people snubbing them or booing, they'll have their show as usual.

 

[sophie25]

And for the love of common sense will the powers that be tell them they are not allowed to use their titles anymore. Since Harry’s wife has such an issue with “rank” and because she’s “glad to be home for so many reasons” and because “if you don’t vote you don’t exist”

You are so right. The USA and the UK have a 'special relationship' and yet a British HRH is being given cart blanch to practically campaign for Joe Biden against the incumbent President. No member of the Royal family has even came close to behaving like this in the past. What is the Queen and her advisors thinking in allowing this to go on?

 

[Denville]

I have tried to catch up with this thread and wonder how they manage to create a circle of friends around them at the new place.
In UK it did not work and seems as if Harry has no more friends left because M. does not like them or them not Meghan?
But how in the US? does Harry like Meghans friends or has he got simply no more opinion of his own? must be a very lonely time for him even when meeting her friends, you cannot make deep friendship& trust in a few weeks, nothing like a friendship started in childhood.

but I doubt the british people will be consequent if the couple comes back, they always cheer for them, line the streets and buy the staff... I never seen anything different from this, maybe its only here in this forum where people pay so much attention and make up their mind.
or am I wrong? i cannot imagine mass of people snubbing them or booing, they'll have their show as usual.

I think that the RF will be wary of putting them into to work again, If they walked once, how can they be relied on? And I think the public and press are cool, for the most part and will be like "they walked out, so liet them stay out." The RF aren't That Popular, H and Meg will have fans, but will they get a lot of people cheering? Probably not, if they come back after a year or 2 abroad.

 

[poppy7]

You are so right. The USA and the UK have a 'special relationship' and yet a British HRH is being given cart blanch to practically campaign for Joe Biden against the incumbent President. No member of the Royal family has even came close to behaving like this in the past. What is the Queen and her advisors thinking in allowing this to go on?

They don't care what she does. She no longer represents them.

 

[duchessrachel]

I think that the RF will be wary of putting them into to work again, If they walked once, how can they be relied on? And I think the public and press are cool, for the most part and will be like "they walked out, so liet them stay out." The RF aren't That Popular, H and Meg will have fans, but will they get a lot of people cheering? Probably not, if they come back after a year or 2 abroad.

Would you explain this to me? I would like to understand because as an American I have always been under the impression that the majority of the UK approves of the Royal Family. When I saw the tons of people who turned out for William and Kate's wedding on the mall when they came out on the balcony, it made me think they are popular. Also, the news channels in the UK made a big deal of H & M's wedding. Also, people show up for their engagements hoping to shake their hand. Is it just a minority in the UK who are die hard supporters?

 

[Heavs]

We don't know what's going on BTS because nothing substantial has really leaked, BP could be fuming. Or not.

There's also a limited amount anyone can do unless HM or PoW is prepared to ask Parliament to strip them of their titles, which for a number of reasons isn't likely and would be seen as the nuclear option, especially for Harry who was born royal and they may be hoping will return some day. Not to mention it would turn them into martyrs "look at the evil institution punishing us for trying to make the world a better place etc etc etc".

Technically H&M might be arguing that they're not breaking any agreement as the aren't using HRH. And any attempt to ask Meghan to stop using DoS or be more circumspect in what she says might well end up as "Palace trying to silence brave Meghan, she thinks they support Trump!" by Scobie in the Sunday papers.

It's just that (to me) they look like giant hypocrites saying "women are not ranked, BTW I'm the Duchess of Sussex!" and the titbits about how awful they think the monarchy and the UK are whilst using titles given to them by that very institution, indeed publicly moaning about not being about to use HRH.

 

[Durham]

but I doubt the british people will be consequent if the couple comes back, they always cheer for them, line the streets and buy the staff... I never seen anything different from this, maybe its only here in this forum where people pay so much attention and make up their mind.
or am I wrong? i cannot imagine mass of people snubbing them or booing, they'll have their show as usual.

They won't be universally welcome I'm sure. To put it mildly. I can't imagine anyone booing them though it wouldn't surprise me if they did. I've no doubt most people would rather they stay in America & not come here at all.

 

[Heavs]

Would you explain this to me? I would like to understand because as an American I have always been under the impression that the majority of the UK approves of the Royal Family. When I saw the tons of people who turned out for William and Kate's wedding on the mall when they came out on the balcony, it made me think they are popular. Also, the news channels in the UK made a big deal of H & M's wedding. Also, people show up for their engagements hoping to shake their hand. Is it just a minority in the UK who are die hard supporters?

The polling for the monarchy is usually put at 60-80% depending on what's going on at the moment, which is certainly better than many governments or individual politician can ever hope for and I don't think there's much appetite for a republic at the moment (though we'll see what happens when the Queen dies) but in the general day to day of things many people aren't that bothered by what they do and don't do. Although many do enjoy royal pomp and circumstance as an excuse to party.

 

[Durham]

A good summary. Also a distinction needs to be made between the monarchy as an institution & the royal family. They're not the same.

Lots of people don't want a republic but that doesn't mean they're royalists. They're not interested in members of the royal family. They certainly don't want to be lectured by them.

 

[Mbruno]

I don't want to start boring discussions concerning titles, but will it make a difference if another Sussex baby will be born in Uk (maybe next summer) or in the US?
short answers appreciated, thanks.

In terms of titles, it makes no difference where the child is born.

Harry's second child would normally be styled Lord/Lady xxx Mountbatten-Windsor as a child of a duke who is not the heir to the peerage. Given, however, that Harry and Meghan made it known that they did not want their firstborn son to be referred to by the courtesy title of Earl of Dumbarton (as expected for the firstborn son of the Duke of Sussex), it is likely that their younger children wil also be called simply Master/Miss xxx Mountbatten-Windsor.

It is worth noting that, under existing Letters-Patent issued in 1917 by King George V, Harry and Meghan's children will be styled HRH Prince/Princess xxx of Sussex when Prince Charles becomes King, unless Charles publicly declares his intention otherwise.

 

[tommy100]

Of course they will return to the UK, their huge dramatic retreat from the UK wasn't the kick start to a well funded private life thanks to Covid so I can 100% see them almost having a 'do over' - lots of "royal pomp" at big royal occasions, a memorial to Diana and then back to US for lots of speaking engagements and lucrative deals having reminded everyone of their royal and Diana links. I wonder if the Palace will be happy for them to keep "dipping in" to big set piece royal events like Trooping then go off to make money off their status. TBH I wonder if at this point with everything going on if they've even been invited to Trooping yet or are just inviting themselves. I wonder how their need for privacy will marry up with riding in a carriage for huge crowds to see...

 

[HereditaryPrincess]

I'm actually starting to have my doubts that the Sussexes will return to the UK to live. I get the impression that Meghan wasn't cut out for the lifestyle - she seems to be more comfortable living a life without a royal title in the US.

 

[Durham]

Of course they will return to the UK, their huge dramatic retreat from the UK wasn't the kick start to a well funded private life thanks to Covid so I can 100% see them almost having a 'do over' - lots of "royal pomp" at big royal occasions, a memorial to Diana and then back to US for lots of speaking engagements and lucrative deals having reminded everyone of their royal and Diana links. I wonder if the Palace will be happy for them to keep "dipping in" to big set piece royal events like Trooping then go off to make money off their status. TBH I wonder if at this point with everything going on if they've even been invited to Trooping yet or are just inviting themselves. I wonder how their need for privacy will marry up with riding in a carriage for huge crowds to see...

From what we've learnt they're not exactly backward in coming forward so it wouldn't surprise me if they sweet talked themselves an invitation. If the palace is foolish enough to give in then they shouldn't be surprised if more & more people become increasingly cynical about the royal family.

 

[Eskimo]

From what we've learnt they're not exactly backward in coming forward so it wouldn't surprise me if they sweet talked themselves an invitation. If the palace is foolish enough to give in then they shouldn't be surprised if more & more people become increasingly cynical about the royal family.

On another forum it was rightly pointed out that H&M have a habit of presenting their wants to the media as a “fait accompli” hoping that they can steamroll the RF (the Jan leaving announcement for example) and this is them trying to do the half in/half out without the RF objecting.

COVID-19 has seriously derailed their plans and they are desperate for a re-set. Some even went as far as to suggest that Oprah might have told them that she would only work with them if they could raise their profile and become more bankable by sprinkling more royal dust on their activities.

 

[Somebody]

Of course they will return to the UK, their huge dramatic retreat from the UK wasn't the kick start to a well funded private life thanks to Covid so I can 100% see them almost having a 'do over' - lots of "royal pomp" at big royal occasions, a memorial to Diana and then back to US for lots of speaking engagements and lucrative deals having reminded everyone of their royal and Diana links. I wonder if the Palace will be happy for them to keep "dipping in" to big set piece royal events like Trooping then go off to make money off their status. TBH I wonder if at this point with everything going on if they've even been invited to Trooping yet or are just inviting themselves. I wonder how their need for privacy will marry up with riding in a carriage for huge crowds to see...

I don't see any reason why, if they would attend Trooping, they would be riding in a carriage. That would surely give off the wrong signal to everyone. Showing up on the balcony with all other family members is one thing but being given prominence by riding a carriage after turning your back on the Firm would be inappropriate imho.

 

[Osipi]

I don't see any reason why, if they would attend Trooping, they would be riding in a carriage. That would surely give off the wrong signal to everyone. Showing up on the balcony with all other family members is one thing but being given prominence by riding a carriage after turning your back on the Firm would be inappropriate imho.

Sending what wrong signal? If they were to return to the UK for Trooping the Color, they would still be HRH The Duke and Duchess of Sussex with Harry being the son of the next monarch of the UK and unless I'm mistaken, they still hold their place in the order of precedence in official events like Trooping is.

The gathering of the family for this event is not limited to those that work for the "Firm". Whether or not H&M would ride in a carriage we probably won't know until the day comes. I just don't see the Queen or any of the BRF doing anything that remotely hints at ostracizing Harry and Meghan and Archie (would be nice to see Archie on the balcony but perhaps he'd still be too young?)

Then again.... what do I know?

 

[Mbruno]

Sending what wrong signal? If they were to return to the UK for Trooping the Color, they would still be HRH The Duke and Duchess of Sussex with Harry being the son of the next monarch of the UK and unless I'm mistaken, they still hold their place in the order of precedence in official events like Trooping is.

The gathering of the family for this event is not limited to those that work for the "Firm". Whether or not H&M would ride in a carriage we probably won't know until the day comes. I just don't see the Queen or any of the BRF doing anything that remotely hints at ostracizing Harry and Meghan and Archie (would be nice to see Archie on the balcony but perhaps he'd still be too young?)

Then again.... what do I know?

After the attacks on the RF and especially on the Cambridges by Meghan's surrogates, it would be awkward to say the least for them to stand together smiling at Trooping.

 

[AC21091968]

After the attacks on the RF and especially on the Cambridges by Meghan's surrogates, it would be awkward to say the least for them to stand together smiling at Trooping.

I don't think Harry and Meghan (as a couple) will appear on the balcony for Trooping of the Colour let alone in the carriage ride. Even if they want to, I don't think the Buckingham Palace will consider it, as it may risk awkward tension within the Royal Family Members and stir up public controversy.

Like I mentioned in the earlier post, Harry may appear in the balcony by himself, but the chance of that is very little.

 

[Curryong]

An analysis by Victoria Arbiter with regard to Meghan and her participation in urging women to get out and vote. (There's a bit of Andrew in the article and the title but most is about Meghan.

https://honey.nine.com.au/royals/pr...n-markle/65bf61b3-8302-4900-a6f2-abe1efd0df15

 

[angieuk]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...Williams-high-profile-charity-polo-match.html

Will see what next year brings?

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/...leased-volunteering-efforts-school-event.html

Nice to seem them volunteering; but can't seem why it was so difficult doing the same same in the UK, as Royal duties?

 

[poppy7]

Sending what wrong signal? If they were to return to the UK for Trooping the Color, they would still be HRH The Duke and Duchess of Sussex with Harry being the son of the next monarch of the UK and unless I'm mistaken, they still hold their place in the order of precedence in official events like Trooping is.

The gathering of the family for this event is not limited to those that work for the "Firm". Whether or not H&M would ride in a carriage we probably won't know until the day comes. I just don't see the Queen or any of the BRF doing anything that remotely hints at ostracizing Harry and Meghan and Archie (would be nice to see Archie on the balcony but perhaps he'd still be too young?)

Then again.... what do I know?

The Cambridge children appeared on the balcony as they turned one. Having them would risk overshadowing everything and everyone and a big gathering like that will not happen next year. In fact I don't see any return next year.

 

[Denville]

Would you explain this to me? I would like to understand because as an American I have always been under the impression that the majority of the UK approves of the Royal Family. When I saw the tons of people who turned out for William and Kate's wedding on the mall when they came out on the balcony, it made me think they are popular. Also, the news channels in the UK made a big deal of H & M's wedding. Also, people show up for their engagements hoping to shake their hand. Is it just a minority in the UK who are die hard supporters?

there's a big difference between "approves of" and popular. Yes it is just a minority who take an interest in the RF, who read a lot about them and so on. If there's a wedding or a big event more people will watch it on TV etc but even that's cooling down a bit now. When there is a royal wedding, there seems to be more grumbling bout the cost than enjoyment of the spectacle. People like individual royals, most respect the queen but there isn't the big interest in them that I think Americans believe to be the case...

 

[Pranter]

I'm not sure why it is thought Americans think there is a big interest in the BRF? Almost no one I know in any sphere of real life gives a fig about Royals from any country. It's rare to run into anyone (even online) who cares about Royalty....even among ppl from those countries. I've had Europeans as friends online for about 30 years, I've had family living in Europe and visiting Europe...almost none of them support the idea of Monarchy or could even tell you who belongs to what Royal house outside a general knowledge of their own country.

There does seem to be an increasing dislike? lack of interest? on Monarchies. I figure we are all seeing the beginning of the end of at least some of the European ones, or if they survive they will be greatly reduced to mostly window dressing.


LaRae

 

[cathy50]

Thank you for the answers. But if the RF is not that popular, I wonder if so many care what will be done about the Sussex. They are still family.
Maybe be best if they only visited the family in private but surely the press and fans will again critisize when they don t appear to events or photos being took.

This article about Andrew, I guess when his mother dies his protection will be stopped. he really profits the most from his position compared to what Meghan is doing is peanuts against Andrew.

Back to the babies, I read that in Sweden the royal children must be born there and raised to keep the title, I guess this confused me, sorry. I thought this is in all monarchies.
but somehow would be strange when Meghan came to give birth to Uk if she does not like it.
would that be the first windsor baby born in the US? If they want a second maybe they will not wait so long, she is quite old now though of course women can get pregnant far later, i think for the child it might be nicer than when the parent is 60 for the end of school and others think its the grandmother not the mother. In my country we have babies at young age mostly, maybe this is different in europe.

 

[Denville]

I'm not sure why it is thought Americans think there is a big interest in the BRF? Almost no one I know in any sphere of real life gives a fig about Royals from any country. It's rare to run into anyone (even online) who cares about Royalty....even among ppl from those countries. I've had Europeans as friends online for about 30 years, I've had family living in Europe and visiting Europe...almost none of them support the idea of Monarchy or could even tell you who belongs to what Royal house outside a general knowledge of their own country.

There does seem to be an increasing dislike? lack of interest? on Monarchies. I figure we are all seeing the beginning of the end of at least some of the European ones, or if they survive they will be greatly reduced to mostly window dressing.


LaRae

Most people in most Constitutional monarchies are not that interested. they may feel a mild liking, or they may just feel that the sysetem works fairly well so why fix it? But I thnk that some Americans think that because a country is a monarchy, its people are all interested in their particular RF and devoted to the people in it.

 

[Osipi]

As far as the Trooping the Color conundrum goes, either way there is going to be attention fixed on it. Will the Sussexes be there? Will Andrew be on the balcony? Regardless of what *does* happen, there will be stories up that wazoo about it. The Sussex family does appear with the family, the body language people will be eyeballing every single move. The Sussex family doesn't show, all kinds of suppositions from "The Queen denied Harry and Meghan entry into the UK" to "Meghan *insists* Harry doesn't attend". We know how the stories go all too well by now.

All I hope for is that the world is safer and Covid-19 free enough so that Trooping the Color can be held again in all its splendor according to tradition.

I am an American and I'm actually of the opinion that having an apolitical Head of State is the way to go. We have a flag that represents us all but somehow its not the same. Perhaps people of the UK give as much attention to the members of their royal family as many of us Americans pay attention to our members of Congress. They're there and we really don't think about them overly much unless they do something that brings them to the forefront of the news. This is where Harry and Meghan are now with the sudden X-bomb and where Andrew is at the forefront of attention due to his involvement with less than reputable people. Other royals such as The Princess Royal don't really make headlines and garner attention and go about working for the "Firm" tirelessly without fanfare and very rarely any kudos.