Help Identifying Royal Cyphers and Monograms

[Doughboy]

Hi, Obviously new here and hopefully posting in the correct thread. I would love some help identifying this Royal cypher or monogram and the crown or coronet above. It is in blue enamel on a solid silver (900 silver so not British hallmark) little snuff type box. I've had it some time and drawn a blank so far with my research so hoping someone might know more. I think, as with a lot of collecting, that the devil is in the detail. The fact it is in blue leans me towards Scandinavian but as yet not found an exact match for the crown or coronet. No luck either with the monogram which looks like 'EV' or 'VE' but might not be as simple! Thanks in advance....

 

[Duc_et_Pair]

Hi, Obviously new here and hopefully posting in the correct thread. I would love some help identifying this Royal cypher or monogram and the crown or coronet above. It is in blue enamel on a solid silver (900 silver so not British hallmark) little snuff type box. I've had it some time and drawn a blank so far with my research so hoping someone might know more. I think, as with a lot of collecting, that the devil is in the detail. The fact it is in blue leans me towards Scandinavian but as yet not found an exact match for the crown or coronet. No luck either with the monogram which looks like 'EV' or 'VE' but might not be as simple! Thanks in advance....

To me it looks Danish. Maybe Prince Viggo of Denmark, Count of Rosenborg and his wife Eleanor?

 

[Doughboy]

Thank you, Danish fits with my Scandinavian idea and Prince Viggo and Eleanor would fit the monogram. The interesting thing is their timeline would fit with my estimation of the age of the box which came to me with other items, some of which were dated between World War 1 and World War 2. They were a random mix of items but meant the owner would have travelled extensively around Europe and also South America making me think he/she might have been some kind of Diplomat. I have emailed the Danish Monarchy archives to see if they can confirm or otherwise... Fingers crossed!

 

[Glasshouse]

It could be for Victor Emmanuel but I think it’s more likely to belong to Victoria Eugenia of Spain. Don’t rely on the color to be an identifying factor, especially on an older item.

 

[Doughboy]

Thank you Glasshouse for your contribution. Hopefully the puzzle has now been solved. I have attached a link to an identical box and monogram sold at Dorotheum auction in Vienna in 2014 describing it as 'King Victor Emanuel III of Italy Gift Tabatiere'. Assuming the cataloguing is correct I think we have found the answer.https://www.dorotheum.com/en/l/3873658/

 

[Doughboy]

Thank you both for your help, the puzzle has been solved!
An identical box sold at Dorotheum Auction in Vienna on 30/04/2014 (lot 197). Catalogued as King Victor Emmanuel III of Italy (1869-1947) Gift Tabatiere.
I tried to post a link but maybe because I'm new it wouldn't let me.
Thanks again and Kind Regards
Peter.

 

[Verbruggen]

New member looking for help identifying a cypher

Hello all,


I joined this morning with the hope that someone can help me ID this cypher. I am fairly certain it is from the mid-late 18th century, most likely mainland Europe, beyond that I have no other information. Any ideas would be greatly appreciated!

 

[King of the Jungle]

Do you have any more information?
On what item does it appear?

Obviously letters J,G or I; F and P which are below a crown.
Hopefully someone can offer you real answers and identification which will be fun to know.

 

[Quadron5]

Royal monogram identity

Hi all. I am hoping someone can shed some light on this cypher/monogram. It appears on a 19th century percussion shotgun made by J. Robertson of Haddington,Ireland.

 

[Hburke]

Looking for information about Royal Cyoher

Does anyone have any information on this cypher?

 

[CuriousHU1]

Hi, newby here from the UK. Do we have any Cypher or Monogram experts in these forums? I'm trying to identify a monogram from someone who was a Member of the Garter, likely a female member, so a Lady of the Garter, who was a member in the 1930s, and I've drawn a complete blank. The first two letters are G R, the next two (or possibly 3) are indecipherable.
Thanks in advance for any help. I'll try to post a photo too (might not work!)

 

[GondorHasNoPants]

Hi, newby here from the UK. Do we have any Cypher or Monogram experts in these forums? I'm trying to identify a monogram from someone who was a Member of the Garter, likely a female member, so a Lady of the Garter, who was a member in the 1930s, and I've drawn a complete blank. The first two letters are G R, the next two (or possibly 3) are indecipherable.
Thanks in advance for any help. I'll try to post a photo too (might not work!)
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The second two letters look like a mirror image of the first two to me, so just repeating the GR. Presumably referring to George V, who would have been King at the time?

Also, Lady Companions of the Order were pretty rare through the 20th century - most were other royals.

 

[doro]

G R might be George V or George VI Rex.

 

[Hans-Rickard]

G R is the monogram for George Rex, so either King George V or King George VI

The only female members of the Order of the Garter in the 1930:s was Queen Mary and (from 1936) Queen Elizabeth.

The first non-royal Lady of the Garter was Lavinia Duchess of Norfolk, who was appointed in 1990

 

[CuriousHU1]

G R is the monogram for George Rex, so either King George V och King George VI

The only female members of the Order of the Garter in the 1930:s was Queen Mary and (from 1936) Queen Elizabeth.

The first non-royal Lady of the Garter was Lavinia Duchess of Norfolk, who was appointed in 1990

Thank you very much for that. This monogram is on a powder compact, made by Asprey's and hallmarked for 1932-33, so wonder who it belonged to.

 

[GondorHasNoPants]

Thank you very much for that. This monogram is on a powder compact, made by Asprey's and hallmarked for 1932-33, so wonder who it belonged to.

Interesting. I would guess, now, that it was made for the wife of a Garter knight? But that seems a bit presumptuous, and a little disrespectful - sporting the badge of your husband's order of chivalry on your powder compact, of all things ?

It's the kind of thing you should take to the Antiques Roadshow, to see what they would say. And I wonder if Asprey would be able to tell you more, if you contacted them?

 

[Hans-Rickard]

Thank you very much for that. This monogram is on a powder compact, made by Asprey's and hallmarked for 1932-33, so wonder who it belonged to.

Good question…. There was no new Garter Knights created in 1932…. In 1931 Lord Irwin (later 1st Earl of Halifax) was created a KG… In 1933 the 2nd Earl of Lytton was created a KG…

Maybe it belonged to either of their wives…. But it could have belonged to anyone associated with the order

 

[CuriousHU1]

Interesting. I would guess, now, that it was made for the wife of a Garter knight? But that seems a bit presumptuous, and a little disrespectful - sporting the badge of your husband's order of chivalry on your powder compact, of all things ?

It's the kind of thing you should take to the Antiques Roadshow, to see what they would say. And I wonder if Asprey would be able to tell you more, if you contacted them?

Interestingly, some more information has landed. On the reverse are the initials EWW picked out in what appears to be diamonds. So I'm guessing Elizabeth?

 

[CuriousHU1]

Good question…. There was no new Garter Knights created in 1932…. In 1931 Lord Irwin (later 1st Earl of Halifax) was created a KG… In 1933 the 2nd Earl of Lytton was created a KG…

Maybe it belonged to either of their wives…. But it could have belonged to anyone associated with the order

Thanks Hans, I've just been told, and seen, that on the reverse are the initials EWW, picked out in what appears to be diamonds.

 

[Hans-Rickard]

Maybe it belonged to Edward Wood then �� (Lord Irwin and later Earl of Halifax who was installed in 1931)

 

[CuriousHU1]

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[CuriousHU1]

Hmm, his full name was Edward Frederick Lindley Wood, so no explanation for the middle W. His wife was Dorothy and no daughters. Curiouser and curiouser!

 

[GondorHasNoPants]

Not gonna lie - when I saw those initials, the first thing that popped into my head was Edward Wales + Wallis. And I know that's not the explanation - the date is wrong, for a start - but it made me blink for a moment ?

The only other 'W' I can find in the recent garter list is Arthur Wellesley, 4th Duke of Wellington, but his wife's name was Kathleen. He had daughters called Evelyn and Eileen, but neither the middle initial nor the date work.

 

[Curryong]

I had the same thought. However, if not Wallis could it be another girlfriend (not Thelma Furness obviously) that we don’t know? And the motto was a sort of in-joke?
Perhaps Asprey’s do have records going back to the 1930s and could help.

 

[neesa1492]

Greetings and salutations!! I have a set of sterling silver grape shears with a mysterious royal cypher. Could someone help me identify this cypher. Thanks and blessings.