Odette
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I think that "morganatic" refears when a princess marries a non-royal, not the opposite...
King Alexandros's marriage to Aspasia Manou was morganatic.
I think that "morganatic" refears when a princess marries a non-royal, not the opposite...
A morganatic marriage simply means that neither the wife nor any children can take or inherit the husband/father's styles, titles or position.
but if the morganatic wife is given a title etc , the children can inherit the wife/mothers styles or titles......such as the Battenburgs etc....yes !Or that neither the husband nor the children can inherit the wife/mother's styles or titles.
It is usually the male who loses the right of passing his style and titles to his children by engaging in a morgantic marriage because high-born women usually don't arrange their own marriages or have titles to pass on, in most cases. However, I believe the government or monarch can get around the morganatic problem through acts of enoblement or passage of laws
Yes, "unequal" marriages were treated quite differently:...So morganatic marriages was a complex issue from that family.
Yes, "unequal" marriages were treated quite differently:
• King Alexander married Aspasia Manos in 1919 - she had to wait two years after his death before being recognised as a Princess of Greece;
• Prince Christopher married Mrs Nancy Leeds in 1920 - she was created Princess Anastasia;
• Prince Peter married Irene Ovtchinnikov in 1939 - she was never accepted by the family nor allowed to enter Greece.
It depends. If he just used Κυρία and not Κυρία Μάνου, maybe he was using British protocol to which he was quite used to due to his close relationship to Lloyd George and his second wife's being British-born and raised Greek of the diaspora, Elena Skylitsi that is.Vlaha, Venizelos addressed Aspasia Manou as KYRIA..which is as you know the address one uses as a sign of respect to a married Greek lady. It had nothing to do with the "Ma'am" one may use to address the Queen of England for example.
If you gave me one example, just one, of a person born to a commoner who was declared prince or princess in his/her own rights I will accept it. Their mother was and is a commoner so this extends to them until and unless Marina Karella is created a princess. The requirement applies both parents.Where I have an issue is the title one can carry within the family. It is true that Prince Mihail resigned his rights to the throne but he was born a prince and unless the King disallowed it, his children may carry the title of princesses. When it comes to the glossies Marina Karella is also referred to as Princess which is wrong since the King never gave her the title to use. The prince's daughters however, until they married were princesses.
We need to accept that the King as the head of the family has the right to elevate to the HRH title commoners themselves let alone children born to them. No need to go too far. All of Pavlos's children are born to a commoner and carry the titles of TRH Princes and Princess of Greece.It depends. If he just used Κυρία and not Κυρία Μάνου, maybe he was using British protocol to which he was quite used to due to his close relationship to Lloyd George and his second wife's being British-born and raised Greek of the diaspora, Elena Skylitsi that is. He may have used it this way or that way and for whatever reason we cannot know, since we can not read minds or know motives. The fact is he addressed her as a Kyria and did not use the honorific appropriate for the widow of a King.
If you gave me one example, just one, of a person born to a commoner who was declared prince or princess in his/her own rights I will accept it. Their mother was and is a commoner so this extends to them until and unless Marina Karella is created a princess. The requirement applies both parents.