Prince Henrik's Plans for his Final Resting Place: August 2017


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He says it all.... he must be sorry to see that from his father
 
carina_a said:
First comment from CP Frederik on this issue today:

(Google Translate - if wrong please correct, Muhler)
"I only have to say that I'm really sorry for my father's decision in a lot of areas. More can not be said about this case at present. "

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The translation is very fine. :flowers:

"... in a lot of areas..." - can also be translated with: "...a lot of ways..."

And "case" should be "matter".

What I find interesting is the second sentence. To me that indicates that more will be said later. Not by Frederik though.
 
I just have to respond to this:
ricarda said:
Actually the "usual" press meeting at Cayx was cancelled long ago and there hasn't been one for years (the photoshoot on the occasion of Henrik's 80th birthday was an exception). So I really don't see why there was an extra statement that there wouldn't be one this year. As I also didn't quite see why it was necessary to announce Henrik's retirement in the new year's speech. It is my impression that Margrethe has done her best to present herself as a woman who is let down by her husband (very different to Queen Elizabeth) and to turn this whole quite natural event into a scandal. There is definitely a war going on between those two.
But as in most breakdowns of a marriage it's never just one side who is to be blamed. Margrethe is an extremely self-centered woman as it was IMO very evident at this year's photoshoot in Graasten.
At the beginning of their marriage she insisted on speaking French with her husband when it would have been good for him to learn Danish quickly, again very self-centered. And no, Henrik is not used to getting his own way, quite on the contrary, tommy100.
I think he tried for years to gain the love of the Danish people, without much success (just look at Muhler's comments even prior to the retirement), but now, facing death sooner or later, he has decided to no longer give a damn and to end the charade he was probably forced to play for years and to express his opinions, even so the Danes (who tend to totally lack self-criticism) may not approve of it. While I am not particularly fond of Henrik, I can understand his frustration.
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You're right, QMII certainly has her faults, and she's never been afraid to admit it.

My answers to you in bold:

Margrethe has done her best to present herself as a woman who is let down by her husband and to turn this whole quite natural event into a scandal? She doesn't have to present anything because she has been let down by her husband, and she would never have used it to turn it in to a scandal that has the potential to really damage the monarchy. A monarchy she has spent her life building up from an institution with low support to one that has 70/80% support in the population.

But as in most breakdowns of a marriage it's never just one side who is to be blamed? QMII has admitted that she wasn't there enough for her husband in the early stage of their marriage.

Margrethe is an extremely self-centered woman? My father (who is a history/royal obsessed nerd like me) also see her as a bit self-centered. And I think Henrik agree with both of you, because he has repeatedly said that the only place QMII forgets that she's the Queen is when she is at Chateau Cayx.

Do I see her as an extremely self-centered woman? No, I don't.

1. She is not folksy and until recently not very comfortable in public.

2. She is also not very comfortable with journalists or photographers, and it doesn't seem like she likes attention.

3. She has often praised Henrik, Frederik and Mary in interviews and has admitted that she would have liked to have her son/daughter-in-law's people skills.

I think he tried for years to gain the love of the Danish people, without much success?
He was quite popular (especially with the young) when he turned 80, but he then (of course) had to blow it when he answered the 'want to be king' questions by the dutch journalists.
 
Muhler said:
The translation is very fine. :flowers:

"... in a lot of areas..." - can also be translated with: "...a lot of ways..."

And "case" should be "matter".

What I find interesting is the second sentence. To me that indicates that more will be said later. Not by Frederik though.
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Thank you.:flowers:

I'm actually surprised he used the word 'sorry'. I was expecting something more vague and neutral. But yes I'm also betting on the 'later', perhaps there will be some sort of action from Margrethe. (Please don't give PH any more new titles)
 
Wow and wow once more!
I just read the BB interview with PH at Chateau Cayx and PH must be out of his mind IMO!

It's a very frank interview! - I cannot recall ever reading such a frank exchange between a journalist and a member of the DRF before! Ever!
Trine Larsen from BB can do it because she know PH so very well and for so many years.
Trine Larsen's impression is that it hasn't dawned on PH at all what commotion his statements have made in Denmark. - And elsewhere for that matter...
He looks very old and very tired to her.
His total dismissal of arguments against his case is bordering on being rude.

I will of course write a translation, but it'll take a while, but brace yourselves!
 
Oh my lord!!! What now in relation to BB's article???!!!!
CP Frederick's comments gives credence to Prince Henrik NOT having a mental disorder.
 
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Duc_et_Pair said:
In all the too-easy blaming and shaming of Prince Henrik, let us remind that actually Margrethe and Henrik not only were a visible loving couple, they also had the luck that many of their interests and talents matched. Both are very artistic persons, the Queen has created beautiful artworks, together they translated a roman of Simone de Beauvoir from French to Danish. The Prince has couple of publications, varying from a princely cookbook to a book with translated French poems, from a book with photographs taken by the Prince to a book about French chefs at the Danish Court. The fabulous work they did to translate the Château de Caÿx into the wonderful estate it is now. From the establishment of a sculpture park at Marselisborg, even with his own sculptures, to his great achievements in Europa Nostra, an European-wide agency to preserve historic heritage for future generations, etc.

So -as no any other royal couple- the two must have been in a deep symbiosis, not only as married couple, but also as Royal Couple and very much also as deep soulmates. That is why this rift within the family is so remarkable and so sad. But the many, many contributions of the Prince (can we name any other Prince Consort with such a legacy?) does not deserve him the insulting label of "man-child" or "narcist".
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I never knew much about Henrik and I certainly was not aware that the Danish Royal couple shared such a deep aesthetic, cultural and intellectual connection. It makes them rather unique among their married Royal contemporaries.

I don't follow Henrik and Margrethe closely but I always found them a bit eccentric as a couple, to be honest.

Their shared interests certainly goes a way to explaining why they have endured so long against considerable odds. Unfortunately it also must make this latest outburst all the more painful and embarrassing for Queen Margrethe.:sad:
 
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His sons must be so tired of their father and his hissy fits over his role/titles.Remember his fight from Denmark in 2002,then he missed the wedding of Willem-Alexander and Máxima and let the queen go alone .A few years later Queen MII granted the new Danish title "Count of Monpezat" for all their male-line descendants.He then plans to retire but not quietly or dignified ,the man is a nightmare consort.
 
An Ard Ri said:
His sons must be so tired of their father and his hissy fits over his role/titles.Remember his fight from Denmark in 2002,then he missed the wedding of Willem-Alexander and Máxima and let the queen go alone .A few years later Queen MII granted the new Danish title "Count of Monpezat" for all their male-line descendants.He then plans to retire but not quietly or dignified ,the man is a nightmare consort.
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Oh Gawd yes!!!!As long as he's back in time for his meds in the institution...:sad:
 
Yet another must read.

Summary of the very frank interview of PH at Chateau Cayx in Billed Bladet #32, 2017.
Interviewer Trine Larsen.

I will refrain from commenting now but let the text speak for itself. As usual formal You is with capital Y.

PH is driving in car from the entrance to the chateau when he meets our reporter, who asks how he is: “Yes, thank you (here meaning: I could be better), but I’m tired. Very tired. I’m much more tired that I use to be. I do however feel I can sense some improvement after the procedure, but it’s slow progress and I’m tired”.

Q: The whole of Denmark is upside down over Your surprising decision…
PH: “I don’t understand that! Why? A country like Denmark where we are support gender equality? What man wish to be subservient to his wife and not live like an equal”?

Q: Many don’t understand Your decision?
PH: “Oh, well then it isn’t my fault. And I don’t care anyway”.

Q: But a lot of people think You let the Queen down?
PH: “Ooh? They think so? If anyone has let me down…
I think we are fine together. But no man can accept that he isn’t at the same level as his spouse”.

Q: Some men can.
PH: “Who? Do You know many? I know no one…”.

Q: Over time it has become very modern that the women take the lead.
PH: “Modern? It has got nothing to do with that. We are talking about something that goes back ten thousand years… When you are married you must have the same rights”.

Q: Surely You have that at home, Your Royal Highness!
PH: “No, no…”.

Q: Yes, surely You decide everything at home.
PH: “Perhaps, yeah, but that’s another matter! Quite another matter”.

Q: Your Royal Highness, it sounds like You put Your personal feelings, Your honor, Your respect and everything else higher than the love to Your wife (informal word)?
PH: “No, we love each other”.

Q: But surely no one believe that! The whole of Denmark is now talking about you divorcing.
PH: “No, NO”.

Q: There is talk about You making the Queen a laughingstock and a fool and embarrassing her…
PH: “If the Queen wants to… she’s the one making me a fool. I didn’t marry her in order to be buried at Roskilde Cathedral. I don’t care”.

Q: Well, surely You married her, because You love her?
PH: “Yeah! Exactly”.

Q: And surely You still do?
PH: “Of course… and so what”?

Q: So never mind everything else. Everything else means nothing and doesn’t matter, Your Royal Highness, when you love someone…
PH: “Nooo, it doesn’t doesn’t matter. No man can accept not being equal to his spouse”.

Q: Surely love is greater than everything else.
PH: “Yes! But then ask my wife. Not me”. – He repeats the question of a title is an entirely different matter.

Q: But that doesn’t seem to have been possible…
PH: “Why? – Why”?

Q: Because you then have to redo the Constitution, change it.
PH: “But, nooo, it has got nothing to do with the Constitution. Where have You seen that? Give me an example!
My wife is after all Regent… - so what? I’m on the same level as the person I’m married to, and when she is Queen, she can make me a king consort, if she wants to.
When she haven’t done that… then…”.

Q: I actually think the Queen would have liked to, but she hasn’t been able to! Due to the legislation…
PH: “The legislation has got nothing to do with it. Where does it say so? Where did You read that? I’m listening”.

Q: In any circumstances, isn’t it a bit late, when one is 83, to change that?
PH: “Nooo… but I don’t care now”.

Q: But people do think… people get angry and that affects You as well. You become unpopular and that is not deserved after so many years. You have earned all the respect You would so much like to have!
PH: “But I get no respect”.

Q: Does it affect You that Your wife will be sad that You don’t want to be buried next to her?
PH: “I don’t know if she is. I believe that if she wants to have me buried next to her, she should make me a king consort. Finito/basta! But I don’t care.. But no man surely can, if he isn’t equal to his wife, be buried next to her. That’s impossible.
Well. That’ll do. Bye, bye and have a nice day”.


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Queen or commoner, no woman deserves to go through an abusive relationship; and this is what QM is basically experiencing. Whatever problems they have it should be discussed behind closed doors. PH, for some reason, feels emasculated so he thinks he regains his manhood by trashing his wife in the press. Years of service as a royal couple does not let this donkey off the hook.

IMO the queen should strip her louse of a spouse of title and divorce. She has two sons and eight grandchildren so the succession to the Danish throne is more than secure. QM may still love him, but this looks like she has to act as a queen and make sure the royal house remains in tact. Then she should take care of herself.
 
Poor Queen Margreth

I read an interview of a stubborn old man

I think P Henrik will never give up and in September, he will return to Denmark and will do as he said nothing , the family will do as it happened nothing during the summer untill he will begin again.

How it must be difficult to have a such member in the family, specially in a royal family!
 
Margrethe and Henrik may, in all ways, sincerely love each other but with this tirade about forcing his wife to name him as King Consort, Henrik is most definitely *not* treating his wife as an equal in the marriage. In remonstrating, very loudly in fact, that he demands to be equal to his wife not only in marriage but also in title and rank, he is expressing himself as the proverbial dominant male that demands a certain performance from his wife.

Henrik has met his match in a woman that clearly believes that no matter how beloved her husband is to her, he's wrong and she won't back down. Now *that's* equality if you ask me. :D
 
Muhler, is it true what that reporter told Prince Henrik...are the people of Denmark really calling for the queen to divorce her husband?:ohmy:
 
Interesting that PH admits that he decides everything at home. So that means that he is not pushed aside on family decisions, etc., as some here have intimated or implied. He is the "head" of his personal family. He just can't get over the fact that he is still a subject of her Majesty the Queen of Denmark and not of equal rank in the government even if he is married to her. The more I read about this sad situation, the more I admire the sometime outspoken but always extremely loyal husband of Queen Elizabeth II. Have to wonder what they are privately thinking.
 
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Muhler, is it true what that reporter told Prince Henrik...are the people of Denmark really calling for the queen to divorce her husband?:ohmy:
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I don't think there is a public call for QMII to divorce PH - yet, but it is certainly mentioned frequently, both among very serious commentators, less serious commentators and comments from the public.
 
Muhler said:

But no man can accept that he isn’t at the same level as his spouse”.
“Modern? It has got nothing to do with that. We are talking about something that goes back ten thousand years… When you are married you must have the same rights”.
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Is this about equality or about superiority?
 
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I am really rather shocked at the interview Prince Henrik gave - and rather impressed with the reporter managing to ask such questions more so that he got answers!

PH's attitude seems to go way beyond a reasonable argument - he has turned it into more than it ever needed to be. If ever there was a chance that the Queen's husband would be afforded the title "king", it would surely be lost forever now - demanding, insisting upon something in such a way never got anyone anything.

Let's look at it this way - many marriages exist where one spouse has a more higher-powered job than the other. Imagine QM was group chief executive of a company and Henrik was head of advertising - he couldn't insist on being called group chief executive now could he!
 
My god, this man is insufferable and he can deny it and be surprised about it, but he really is an embarrassment to his family and what they represent.

He talks about not being made equal to her and it's not about being equal to her. This is about him feeling inferior to a woman and that no man should accept being ''inferior.'' To him, not being made King (and he is blaming her) is an insult to his manhood. Which makes it all the more pathetic.
 
It reads as a cheap book of undefinite origin....Henrik. The wording he uses in regard to HM.If,if the sons & family read this Forum,and this thread by chance..how horribly painfull and sad this comedie noir is / must be. Unbelieveble. Duty and the Monarchy first,First,always, comes the House,then the spouse...What a winer....Persona non Grata Subito!
 
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Madame Verseau said:
Queen or commoner, no woman deserves to go through an abusive relationship [....]
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I suppose it works the other way too? For the man? See a few posts earlier in which the many and productive cooperations of this man and this woman are mentioned. Nothing "abusive" at all. When a man honestly feels he has zero comma zero to say in his own home, when even his own son is higher in the pecking order, visible for all and everyone, then it can be hurting, maybe bordering public humiliation and abuse.

Earlier in this thread a fellow poster snubbed the non-attendance of Prince Henrik at the Royal Wedding in Amsterdam, 02-02-2002. But exactly one month before that major event there was a public clash at the Danish Court: the Prince's anger was sparked when Queen Margrethe became ill and was unable to host the traditional New Year Levée of politicians, diplomats and military. The Levée went ahead, but when it came to the passage (the greetings), it was not The Prince Consort taking the honneurs for the Queen, no... his son Prince Frederik played the "host".

Prince Henrik, a Prince Consort for 30 years, a proud Frenchman and affiching himself as the Pater Familias, had to read in Danish press that the Levée was been hosted by Prince Frederik. The Prince's objections were more or less not taken au sérieux and an angered Henrik left Denmark, to go to the Château de Caÿx in France. Like now, also then he was awaited by media and he said: "After more than 30 years in Denmark, they still give the impression that I am number three, that my son has replaced me. No... I refuse to be part of that game. I am the number two. I have to be the number two. I am the Queen's consort. You can not just change the hierarchy because it suits someone better!"

More or less it all boiled down to the idea that this whole episode just was a reflection of the Danish people's unwillingness to accept him since he gave up his religion, his nationality, his job and his language, even changing his name, to marry their Queen. Against a reporter from BT the Prince stated that he felt "degraded all the time, disappointed all the time, looked over and walked over in such a way that my self-respect is destroyed". Add to this that he was, for long -unlike his "colleagues" Prince Philip, Prince Bernhard and Prince Claus- totally dependant on hands-out from his spouse's purse (opposed to an own income and an own working budget for his British and Dutch counterparts).

It is all to easy to paint the one side as "good" and the other as "bad'. For myself I have the feeling that the so "equal" Danes indeed have shoved the Prince away as an irrelevance. And for years and years the anger, the frustration, the pressure has been building and building. All this has a reason and it is not all from yesterday but started long ago.
 
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In reality, a good marriage is a partnership. There's no "levels of equality" nor is there a set of rules that "proves" equality in a marriage. Another important aspect of a marriage is recognizing and embracing the unique qualities of a partner. A spouse of a neurosurgeon is not going to be expected to be consulted on a specific upcoming surgery unless the spouse is equally trained as a neurosurgeon.

Henrik doesn't demand equal rights when it comes to picking out Queen Daisy's wardrobe for the day. Nor does he hold any sway as to what her doctors prescribe as a plan of action for her back troubles. Margrethe has the specific role of Queen Regnant of Denmark. That, Henrik wants in on. The only advantage to getting the title of King Consort would be self glorification and prestige and more self importance in Henrik's own skewered way of looking at things.

The way Henrik has been going about this has nothing to do with being "equal" to his wife in all matters but is painting a picture of a man that a few decades ago would have been classified as a male chauvinist pig. His responses in the interview clearly show a mindset that is stuck in an era of a long time ago where the male was the dominant ruler of all things and the wife was the "little woman" and was submissive *and* subservient to the husband. His recent words clearly show that he's trying to browbeat his wife into submission.

Sorry Henrik, your outbursts are just making people realize just how out of touch with the reality of the 21st century you are. :whistling:
 
Muhler said:
Yet another must read.

Summary of the very frank interview of PH at Chateau Cayx in Billed Bladet #32, 2017.
Interviewer Trine Larsen.

I will refrain from commenting now but let the text speak for itself. As usual formal You is with capital Y.

PH is driving in car from the entrance to the chateau when he meets our reporter, who asks how he is: “Yes, thank you (here meaning: I could be better), but I’m tired. Very tired. I’m much more tired that I use to be. I do however feel I can sense some improvement after the procedure, but it’s slow progress and I’m tired”.

Q: The whole of Denmark is upside down over Your surprising decision…
PH: “I don’t understand that! Why? A country like Denmark where we are support gender equality? What man wish to be subservient to his wife and not live like an equal”?

Q: Many don’t understand Your decision?
PH: “Oh, well then it isn’t my fault. And I don’t care anyway”.

Q: But a lot of people think You let the Queen down?
PH: “Ooh? They think so? If anyone has let me down…
I think we are fine together. But no man can accept that he isn’t at the same level as his spouse”.

Q: Some men can.
PH: “Who? Do You know many? I know no one…”.

Q: Over time it has become very modern that the women take the lead.
PH: “Modern? It has got nothing to do with that. We are talking about something that goes back ten thousand years… When you are married you must have the same rights”.

Q: Surely You have that at home, Your Royal Highness!
PH: “No, no…”.

Q: Yes, surely You decide everything at home.
PH: “Perhaps, yeah, but that’s another matter! Quite another matter”.

Q: Your Royal Highness, it sounds like You put Your personal feelings, Your honor, Your respect and everything else higher than the love to Your wife (informal word)?
PH: “No, we love each other”.

Q: But surely no one believe that! The whole of Denmark is now talking about you divorcing.
PH: “No, NO”.

Q: There is talk about You making the Queen a laughingstock and a fool and embarrassing her…
PH: “If the Queen wants to… she’s the one making me a fool. I didn’t marry her in order to be buried at Roskilde Cathedral. I don’t care”.

Q: Well, surely You married her, because You love her?
PH: “Yeah! Exactly”.

Q: And surely You still do?
PH: “Of course… and so what”?

Q: So never mind everything else. Everything else means nothing and doesn’t matter, Your Royal Highness, when you love someone…
PH: “Nooo, it doesn’t doesn’t matter. No man can accept not being equal to his spouse”.

Q: Surely love is greater than everything else.
PH: “Yes! But then ask my wife. Not me”. – He repeats the question of a title is an entirely different matter.

Q: But that doesn’t seem to have been possible…
PH: “Why? – Why”?

Q: Because you then have to redo the Constitution, change it.
PH: “But, nooo, it has got nothing to do with the Constitution. Where have You seen that? Give me an example!
My wife is after all Regent… - so what? I’m on the same level as the person I’m married to, and when she is Queen, she can make me a king consort, if she wants to.
When she haven’t done that… then…”.

Q: I actually think the Queen would have liked to, but she hasn’t been able to! Due to the legislation…
PH: “The legislation has got nothing to do with it. Where does it say so? Where did You read that? I’m listening”.

Q: In any circumstances, isn’t it a bit late, when one is 83, to change that?
PH: “Nooo… but I don’t care now”.

Q: But people do think… people get angry and that affects You as well. You become unpopular and that is not deserved after so many years. You have earned all the respect You would so much like to have!
PH: “But I get no respect”.

Q: Does it affect You that Your wife will be sad that You don’t want to be buried next to her?
PH: “I don’t know if she is. I believe that if she wants to have me buried next to her, she should make me a king consort. Finito/basta! But I don’t care.. But no man surely can, if he isn’t equal to his wife, be buried next to her. That’s impossible.
Well. That’ll do. Bye, bye and have a nice day”.


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Frankly the interview was not as bad as I expected. PH insisted he loves his wife and has no plans to divorce her. I also think he has a point when he says there is no legal obstacle to him being made "king consort". I feel that the legal issue has not been sufficiently discussed here or in the Danish press properly.

Henrik doesn't demand equal rights when it comes to picking out Queen Daisy's wardrobe for the day. Nor does he hold any sway as to what her doctors prescribe as a plan of action for her back troubles. Margrethe has the specific role of Queen Regnant of Denmark. That, Henrik wants in on. The only advantage to getting the title of King Consort would be self glorification and prestige and more self importance in Henrik's own skewered way of looking at things.
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I suppose that, if you put yourself in Henrik's position, it must feel humiliating to him that Máxima or Mathilde have the style of "Majesty" whereas he is only a "Royal Highness", especially when those foreign royal couples are on a state visit to Denmark as was the case recently. I know that Prince Philip for example, who is in a similar position and has hosted several queen consorts during his life (most recently, Queen Letizia) has never expressed similar thoughts, but maybe he just keeps to himself and is not as outspoken as PH has now chosen to be.

In a way, I think PH's grievances are legitimate then. What is actually wrong is for him to use his burial site as a blackmail tool, or as a form of public punishment to his wife for not agreeing to his demands.
 
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The Levée went ahead, but when it came to the passage (the greetings), it was not The Prince Consort taking the honneurs for the Queen, no... his son Prince Frederik played the "host".
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His son Crown Prince Frederik.
 
Osipi said:
In reality, a good marriage is a partnership. There's no "levels of equality" nor is there a set of rules that "proves" equality in a marriage. Another important aspect of a marriage is recognizing and embracing the unique qualities of a partner. A spouse of a neurosurgeon is not going to be expected to be consulted on a specific upcoming surgery unless the spouse is equally trained as a neurosurgeon.

Henrik doesn't demand equal rights when it comes to picking out Queen Daisy's wardrobe for the day. Nor does he hold any sway as to what her doctors prescribe as a plan of action for her back troubles. Margrethe has the specific role of Queen Regnant of Denmark. That, Henrik wants in on. The only advantage to getting the title of King Consort would be self glorification and prestige and more self importance in Henrik's own skewered way of looking at things.

The way Henrik has been going about this has nothing to do with being "equal" to his wife in all matters but is painting a picture of a man that a few decades ago would have been classified as a male chauvinist pig. His responses in the interview clearly show a mindset that is stuck in an era of a long time ago where the male was the dominant ruler of all things and the wife was the "little woman" and was submissive *and* subservient to the husband. His recent words clearly show that he's trying to browbeat his wife into submission.

Sorry Henrik, your outbursts are just making people realize just how out of touch with the reality of the 21st century you are. :whistling:
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AMEN to that.
 
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