I am aware there are two official branches, but I simply steered the thread from the Ligne de LaTremoille branch to the more well known branch associated with the Luxembourg and Orléans-Braganza dynasty as the heir and only son of this branch is over 30 and unmarried, so I wonder who he will marry or at least are there potential matchesThey are 2 Houses of Princes
Prince Michel de Ligne , Head of the House married Princess Eleonore of Orleans Bragance and are living in the Caste of Beloeil.
Prince Charles Anrtoine de Ligne Trémouille and his wife Alyette are living in the Castle of Antoing.
Their Son Edouard married Isabelle an actrice who brought the bacon in the House . 80% of posts in this thread are hers.
I am aware there are two official branches, but I simply steered the thread from the Ligne de LaTremoille branch to the more well known branch associated with the Luxembourg and Orléans-Braganza dynasty as the heir and only son of this branch is over 30 and unmarried, so I wonder who he will marry or at least are there potential matches
Is he the younger brother of the head of the house? R.I.P Prince de Ligne.Death of Prince Wauthier de Ligne, aged 70, on 15 August 2022, after a long illness.
https://www.lavenir.net/regions/wal...wauthier-de-ligne-76IMWOQ6SVBARNTI5EJMABOHOE/
Understood. Thank you.I am not sure they qualify as a branch. They are from the very same descent as the De Lignes but only did add the ancient, most noble and most respected maternal surname de La Trémoïlle. The title however, remains the same: prince de Ligne.
Son Altesse Édouard Lamoral Rodolphe de Ligne de La Trémoïlle, prince de Ligne.
Usually a branch means: von Sachsen-Coburg as Kings of Belgium, von Sachsen-Coburg as Kings of Bulgaria, von Sachsen-Coburg as Dukes in the German ancestral lands, Von Sachsen-Coburg as Kings of the United Kingdom, etc.
I am not sure they qualify as a branch. They are from the very same descent as the De Lignes but only did add the ancient, most noble and most respected maternal surname de La Trémoïlle. The title however, remains the same: prince de Ligne.
Son Altesse Édouard Lamoral Rodolphe de Ligne de La Trémoïlle, prince de Ligne.
As shown in the rules of the Belgian national register, the only titles of nobility that are registered with a designation are "King/Queen of the Belgians", "Prince/ss of Belgium" and "Duke/Duchess of Brabant". All other titles of nobility are legally in the form "Prince/ss", "Duke/Duchess" etc. without further designation, even if they are associated with a surname (which is a separate thing).
https://www.ibz.rrn.fgov.be/fileadm...ructions/liste-TI/TI012_Titre_de_noblesse.pdf
code titre : le titre de noblesse est codé par 2 chiffres conformément au tableau ci-dessous :
01
Prince
02
Princesse
03
Duc
04
Duchesse
05
Marquis
06
Marquise
07
Comte
08
Comtesse
09
Vicomte
10
Vicomtesse
11
Baron
12
Baronne
13
Chevalier
15
Ecuyer
17
Archiduc
18
Archiduchesse
19
Grand-Duc
20
Grande-Duchesse
21
Roi des Belges
22
Reine des Belges
23
Prince de Belgique
24
Princesse de Belgique
25
Duc de Brabant,
Prince de Belgique
26
Duchesse de Brabant,
Princesse de Belgique
Usually a branch means: von Sachsen-Coburg as Kings of Belgium, von Sachsen-Coburg as Kings of Bulgaria, von Sachsen-Coburg as Dukes in the German ancestral lands, Von Sachsen-Coburg as Kings of the United Kingdom, etc.
Princess Charlotte de Ligne née de La Trémoille (1892 – 1971) was heiress-general to her father and so is considered to be the XII duchesse de Thouars, XI duchesse de La Trémoïlle, XIV princesse de Tarente, XVIII princesse de Talmond and XVIII comtesse de Laval.
But the French Republic does not do these titles and the Belgian Nobility knows no succession of noble titles by daughters. So her son and grandson "only" are peince de Ligne.
But were not french titles also inhrerited only in the male line and not through the female line`? Or was it different with these titles?
I’m not sure the de Lignes necessarily have strict rules on marriages because some of the family members have married commoners. I don’t think Prince Wauthier’s marriage to a Countess of the Van Renesse family was a problem because they are an old noble family originally from the Netherlands, but I think his wife is from the Belgian branch of the family. More importantly, I don’t think the marriage was a problem and I think his son is in the succession.Do the de Lignes require an 'equal marriage' (or just an approved marriage)? Because if not, I assume his eldest son prince Philippe is now second in line to the headship of the house (and his grandson prince Jean-Charles third) given that the current prince's son (and heir) is still single and without child. Or was his own marriage (and that of his younger brother Antoine) not acknowledged as they only married countesses instead of princesses?
When I typed “Americans meet the Prince de Ligne at chateau Beloeil” I came across this article that mentions the current head of the family,
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/05/20/world/americas/haiti-history-colonized-france.html
Duc_et_pair, did the Lignes ever have a house law of any kind regarding marriages? the only thing I see is that a number of the princes have married those of their milieu,
Do the de Lignes require an 'equal marriage' (or just an approved marriage)? Because if not, I assume his eldest son prince Philippe is now second in line to the headship of the house (and his grandson prince Jean-Charles third) given that the current prince's son (and heir) is still single and without child. Or was his own marriage (and that of his younger brother Antoine) not acknowledged as they only married countesses instead of princesses?
France at a point allowed it and there used to be a provision for that, but I think one of the governments deliberately removed it.But were not french titles also inhrerited only in the male line and not through the female line`? Or was it different with these titles?
His grandmother was neither a Countess nor a Princess so i think that should not be a Problem
True. But Madeleine Dubois de Courval is a descendant of an American heiress, Mary Ray.His grandmother Philippine de Noailles is very aristocratic as daughter of Henri de Noailles, 10e Prince de Poix and of Madeleine Dubois de Courval (des vicomtes de Courval, d'Anizy et de Chavignon).
Titles, to the degree that they exist in French law (that is, represent enforceable rights and obligations), exist as part of the family name or patronym, and get the same protection in civil courts as the latter.
Titles are not a full part of the family name, however, for a variety of reasons: they are not inherited by all children equally, but rather follow the rules of inheritance determined by the original grant or act of creation.
11. As a Belgian, can I use a foreign title of nobility?
No. This is even a punishable act under art. 230 of the Belgian Criminal Code.
Foreign titles awarded to Belgians therefore have no value in Belgium; moreover, they can never be the subject of a recognition procedure.
Regarding the inheritance of French titles:
https://www.heraldica.org/topics/france/noblesse.htm#Name
Belgian citizens, however, are not permitted to use a foreign title.
https://diplomatie.belgium.be/en/pr...rary-distinctions/nobility/faq-about-nobility
I interpret the Belgian law as long as she doesn't apply for Belgian citizenship she's free, as a foreign national, to use her foreign title.I wonder if a Dutch citizen, with a Dutch passport, registered as:
NAAM / SURNAME
Marchant et d'Ansembourg, de
VOORNAMEN / GIVEN NAMES
Leïla Myriam Thérèse Selimé Aimée Guarda Elisabeth Josef Hubertus
ADELLIJKE TITEL / (TITLE OF NOBILITY)
Gravin
PARTNER VAN / PARTNER OF
Lidth de Jeude, Henri Willem Frederik (jonkheer) van
going to Brussels' townhall to register herself as resident of the city,
can not use her 100% very much legal and registered titles of a fellow Benelux and EU memberstate ???
I thought all EU memberstates withing the Schengen Zone accept each other's passports and registrations.