I think she’s distantly related to Count Nicholas or to the family. Maybe she’s from an untitled branch of that family or she simply never used the title “countess”
She is her granddaughter. However, the countly title of the family is doubtful.
I think she’s distantly related to Count Nicholas or to the family. Maybe she’s from an untitled branch of that family or she simply never used the title “countess”
Natacha herself is based in Geneva according to her LinkedIn-profile - she studied in France, the UK and the USA.
And it looks like her mother might be Dutch. In this article Natacha explains that her father spoke French to her, her mother Dutch and her parents spoke English among each other (which prompted her to learn their secret languages asap). So, by the age of 12 she spoke 3 languages; in high school (she went to an international school in Switzerland) she learned Italian and Spanish as well.
A picture of the future groom and bride on RoyalArjan/CoutureAndRoyals (Twitter).
If you google there is a woman named Meeuwissen-RP living in Vaud. That is more a Dutch last name I believe.
The mother can also be from Dutch-speaking Belgium, of course.
Interesting. I wonder whether they might have double nationality of were naturalized - especially since Igor (is that her brother?) has the Dutch nationality. In the Netherlands (and Switzerland as well), nationality is passed down based in the bloodline, so if one of the children is Dutch I would assume the others are as well... However, Natacha and Ivana might have applied for Swiss citizenship at some point - because they cannot have been Swiss from birth as neither of their parents seem to hold Swiss nationality.
Swiss nationality can be obtained by birth (jus soli) but is not automatic (otherwise an US tourist giving birth in Geneva has "created" a Swiss). There needs to be an application. Maybe Natacha and Ivana were born on Switzerland and have the right to obtain citizenship. Igor can request either French or Dutch citizenship but maybe he was born in the Netherlands, via a Dutch mother, and was therefore registered in the Dutch municipality of birth.
SourceCanton of Vaud
The Canton of Vaud legislated in 2004 to allow for second-generation foreigners to acquire Swiss nationality more easily under the following conditions:
The applicant must meet the requirements set by federal law.
- Aged between 14 and 25 years.
- Has completed at least five years of compulsory education in Switzerland.
- Has at least two years' residence in Vaud.
- Has not lived abroad since the end of their compulsory education, with the exception of temporary stays abroad for purposes of education.
- One of the applicant's parents must currently be lawfully resident in Switzerland or have been so in the past.
- Integration and command of the French Language.
- Lawful behaviour.
- The applicant must not represent a danger for Swiss national security.
The 2004 law also facilitates the naturalisation of foreigners of the 3rd generation under the following conditions:[54]
- The applicant must meet the requirements set by federal law.
- At least two years' residence in Vaud.
- The applicant must have not resided outside Switzerland since their birth, with the exception of temporary stays abroad for purposes of education.
- Integration and command of the French Language.
- The applicant must not represent a danger for Swiss national security.
There are many articles on the web that talk about the fact that she used the title of Countess (which does not belong to her) only for commercial purposes, and that she deceived many people about her true identity, that she has a precise pattern, that she is an ambitious person, that she has convinced herself that she is an aristocrat when in fact she is not, and that she has also forged some documents about her identity.
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If this is the truth, she does not seem fit to be the future wife of an Archduke of Austria.
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The first article urges Archduchess Marie-Astrid to do something about it
There are many articles on the web that talk about the fact that she used the title of Countess (which does not belong to her) only for commercial purposes, and that she deceived many people about her true identity, that she has a precise pattern, that she is an ambitious person, that she has convinced herself that she is an aristocrat when in fact she is not, and that she has also forged some documents about her identity.
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If this is the truth, she does not seem fit to be the future wife of an Archduke of Austria.
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The first article urges Archduchess Marie-Astrid to do something about it.
There has been AN only anonymous article which has been copied on several websites. That looks like a coordinated attack against a woman who may not be noble but whose whole family is using nobility titles. It is very mean to attack her only as if no one else in her family had ever had the idea he or her may have been noble. Roumiantzeff-Pachkevitch has been her family legal name for at least three generations, so the use of this name is not based on any forged documents. It can be checked on her family birth, wedding and deaths certificates in France and Switzerland. Her whole family is using a countly title. This may be totally wrong, but the fault should not be put on Natacha only.
I do not know personally Natacha Roumiantzoff. I don't have any reason to have sympathy - or a lack of sympathy - to her. However, I don't like spiteful methods like this one and anonymous personal attacks.
She is her granddaughter. However, the countly title of the family is doubtful.
The person appears to be very commited to the cause . One wonders if it is the same person who wrote the blog post as it seems almost personal and certainly obsessive.
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Many sources in French that name her grandfather a count. There are few hits that pop up in the search machine without the mention of the title. For example the website of the museum of the order of the liberation in the Hotel des Invalides in Paris refers to him as a count.
https://www.ordredelaliberation.fr/fr/compagnons/nicolas-roumiantzoff
The link also mentions an impressive list of achievements and orders. So with or without an aristocratic title he certainly gained great distinction.
It seems he was born in what is now Ukraine. According to this source his father was a general in the cavalrie who died in Odessa. The website also says his mother died early on as well and he left Ukraine in 1917, as an orphan. He lived with his grandmother in Bretagne.
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Apparently there was a book published about him:
https://lignesdedefense.blogs.ouest-france.fr/archive/2018/02/15/nicolas-roumiantzoff-19067.html
It is written his son, named Nicolas Pierre RP. and was published in 2018. The blog post also mentions that he was a count. I assume the author of the blog post must have based the use of the title on the content of book. It would be interesting to see if anything has been written about the family history in the book itself.
Amazon and a Swiss online bookshop both speak of 'general-count'
https://www.amazon.fr/Roum-Nicolas-ROUMIANTZOFF/dp/2749142938
https://www.payot.ch/Detail/le_roum..._de_gaulle-roumiantzoff_nicolas-9782749142937
There is a foundation located in Switzerland with the name 'Général-comte N. Roumiantzoff' that hands out an award of 2500 Swiss Francs to Francophone students who have the best dissertation in a current theme.
https://www.fundraiso.ch/sponsor/fo...la-legion-dhonneur-compagnon-de-la-liberation
Whatever the history of the family usage of the title is, it is clear that the fiancée certainly is not the one who invented this story as it goes back decades if not more. Although the story of the aristocratic background may be embellished it may be something that the family has told themselves over the years.
In addition we have not seen any evidence of the fiancée or even her parents using a title. The title ánd last name are only used in online sources for the grandfather.
Count Peter Alexandrovich Rumyantsev-Zadunaisky had three sons who did not leave legitimate offspring. The title is dead.
If this is the truth, she does not seem fit to be the future wife of an Archduke of Austria.
There has been AN only anonymous article which has been copied on several websites. That looks like a coordinated attack against a woman who may not be noble but whose whole family is using nobility titles. It is very mean to attack her only as if no one else in her family had ever had the idea he or her may have been noble. Roumiantzeff-Pachkevitch has been her family legal name for at least three generations, so the use of this name is not based on any forged documents. It can be checked on her family birth, wedding and deaths certificates in France and Switzerland. Her whole family is using a countly title. This may be totally wrong, but the fault should not be put on Natacha only.
I do not know personally Natacha Roumiantzoff. I don't have any reason to have sympathy - or a lack of sympathy - to her. However, I don't like spiteful methods like this one and anonymous personal attacks.
It has already been proven and confirmed that the Bride’s family history is heavily fabricated
The invitation showed that Natacha styled herself as “Comtesse Roumiantzeff-Pachkevitch“ and her parents were introduced as “Comte Nicolas Roumiantzeff-Pachkevitch et Comtesse Myranda Roumiantzeff-Pachkevitch nee Meeuwissen.”
According to a post I saw online that shared the invitation to the upcoming wedding, Archduke Alexander will marry in a religious ceremony on September 30, 2023 at Saint Pierre Belœil, Belgium. Ceremony starts at 4 PM local time. Reception to follow at Chateau de Belœil in the evening. The original location of the wedding was to take place in Montreux, Switzerland at the Fairmont.
I should also add that after these articles were posted, I am assuming someone from the Roumiantzoff-Pachkevitch family began to edit Nicolas Roumiantzoff’s as well as the legitimate Roumiantzoff/Rumiantsev Counts Wikipedia pages in their favor. You can see said editing history on Wikipedia. It was quite embarrassing to witness in real time. No one outside of the Roumiantzoff-Pachkevitch family would be dedicated enough to be changing these Wikipedia pages, the same time those articles were posted! Thankfully, when I last checked, someone set the record straight and added that these titles have been extinct etc. Surprisingly, whoever wrote those articles didn’t write anything on the Wikipedia pages mentioned above nor on Princess Astrid’s.
Natacha Roumiantzoff-Pachkevitch’s family history of being Russian nobles has been proven to be highly fabricated by Genealogists with expertises in Russian nobility. This has also been fact checked and written about by Marlene Koenig. I trust facts and evidence over someone else’s mouth as I’ve seen many people fake their family histories, I have learned to never taken anything with face value.
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I have been meaning to reach out to these Museums if they took his word (Natacha’s grandfather’s and father’s) of the Roumiantzoff family history, which is what I assume, or if they did their due diligence and did their own research (I doubt) because these titles can be easily proven to be extinct after a 10 minute Google search. The Roumiantzoff-Pachkevitch never had these titles to begin with. It’s a lie that has been going on for years and has now recently come to light.
The blame should be put on the entire Roumiantzoff-Pachkevitch family. However, no one is forcing or pointing a gun to Natacha’s head to be using these fake titles. They clearly told photographers that their names are COUNT/COUNTESS Nicolas, Maria/Myranda (wedding invitation said Myranda), Natacha, Igor, Ivana Roumiantzoff-Pachkevitch when the photographer took their photos at this event. They could’ve just said Nicolas, Maria/Myranda, Natacha, Igor, Ivana Roumiantzoff-Pachkevitch. I have no sympathy for Natacha nor her family for their actions being public knowledge.
I have seen Alexander and Natacha’s wedding invitations. NO ONE forced Natacha to style herself and her family as “Comte/Comtesse” Natacha, as the Bride as full authority to do whatever she wants, its her wedding. She chose to include those fake titles, so if there is any negative press, its her fault. There is absolutely no way she does not know about the articles that have been written, and I would be highly surprised if she did not see the genealogists fact checking her titles. Natacha when these articles were written, took down and made her LinkedIn in private, she privatized her event planner Instagram as well as her account for fascinators she made and sold. Her father is a lawyer and has had every opportunity from May to now to take those articles down if they were false. A cease and desist would do. I also doubt Alexander’s family and friends don’t know about “title gate.”