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He is here! The new little prince was born earlier today. Both mother and son are doing well.
https://www.kungahuset.se/royalcour...shaloftherealm.5.3d544ca01784aaa522d334f.html
He is here! The new little prince was born earlier today. Both mother and son are doing well.
https://www.kungahuset.se/royalcour...shaloftherealm.5.3d544ca01784aaa522d334f.html
Aww, congrats. Three little boys.
The council meeting will take place on sunday.
https://www.kungahuset.se/kalender.4.7c4768101a4e888378000228.html
Will he get a duchy though? And a royal coat of arms? As discussed in this forum, those are reserved to members of the Royal House only.
There will be no photo or interview opportunity to the press at the Council of State and and no photo opportunity at Te Deum on Sunday, due to the pandemic.
Kalender - Sveriges Kungahus
Which means that the House of Bernadotte now has four agnatic descendants in direct line from King Carl XVI Gustaf.
Of course, under the amended Act of Succession, the throne will pass, however, to the Bernadotte-Westling family following the reign of Queen Victoria.
Which means that the House of Bernadotte now has four agnatic descendants in direct line from King Carl XVI Gustaf.
Of course, under the amended Act of Succession, the throne will pass, however, to the Bernadotte-Westling family following the reign of Queen Victoria.
Congratulations to the parents and the rest of the family !
I am surprised a Council of State will be held since the newborn is not a member of the Royal House. I guess it was decided that he should get the same treatment as his older brothers who were born, however, as members of the Royal House.
Will he get a duchy though? And a royal coat of arms? As discussed in this forum, those are reserved to members of the Royal House only.
The awarding of duchies is no longer regulated by statute, but royal coats of arms are. Under current legislation, it is the King's prerogative to award royal coats of arms to members of the Royal House, but (apparently) no one else. Perhaps, as Heavs suggested, the King could reinterpret "Royal House" as "Royal Family".
https://riksdagen.se/sv/dokument-la...ag-1982268-om-sveriges-riksvapen_sfs-1982-268
I am assuming Victoria also belongs to the Bernadotte family. The Westling dynasty only begins with Queen Estelle. Since Daniel changed his name to Bernadotte though (again to fudge the rules), I am being somewhat sarcastic and calling the new future dynasty Bernadotte-Westling.You mean during the reign of Queen Victoria? The throne also would not pass to her without the amendment to the Act of Succession.
The Bernadotte-Hellqvist family are also beneficiaries of the amended Act of Succession, as the amendment also removed the rule against marriage with a "Swedish private man's daughter", allowing Prince Carl Philip to keep and pass on his rights to the throne despite marrying the daughter of Erik Hellqvist.
I assume that they're going to grandfather the COA, Order of the Seraphim and Duchy in so that he is the same as his siblings and the council points to that. I think the Duchy is fine even if not HRH but the other two are more of a question mark.
I'm sure it's something CG thinks on but I'm happy that the throne will pass to Victoria. Possibly Carl Philip may not have been as free to marry Sofia if he had been Crown Prince as it took an awfully long time for Daniel before he was able to marry in.
If they do so, I suggest they also reinterpret "Royal House" as "Royal Family" to require that Madeleine's children be raised in Sweden, or that they ask for consent from the government to get married. Or, else, strip them of their succession rights.
You cannot have all the perks of being a member of the Royal House (e.g. being a prince, a duke, and a knight of the Seraphim), and any of the related obligations at the same time.
I am assuming Victoria also belongs to the Bernadotte family. The Westling dynasty only begins with Queen Estelle. Since Daniel changed his name to Bernadotte though (again to fudge the rules), I am being somewhat sarcastic and calling the new future dynasty Bernadotte-Westling.
CP and Sofia's children of course also belong to the Bernadotte family, not to a new Bernadotte-Hellqvist family if we adhere to the patrilineal naming convention. As I said, people may dislike it, but unless we stick to a well-defined rule, it becomes impossible to determine precisely when a family begins or becomes extinct.
I am assuming Victoria also belongs to the Bernadotte family. The Westling dynasty only begins with Queen Estelle. Since Daniel changed his name to Bernadotte though (again to fudge the rules), I am being somewhat sarcastic and calling the new future dynasty Bernadotte-Westling.
CP and Sofia's children of course also belong to the Bernadotte family, not to a new Bernadotte-Hellqvist family if we adhere to the patrilineal naming convention. As I said, people may dislike it, but unless we stick to a well-defined rule, it becomes impossible to determine precisely when a family begins or becomes extinct.
You are right, however, that CP's unequal marriage (without loss of title and succession rights) was possible only due to the amended Act of Succession.
That would also be my guess, but I am interested in how the Coat of Arms and Order would be legally justified by the Court. After all, the phrase "Royal House" is plainly used in the laws regulating royal coats of arms and orders.
Lag (1982:268) om Sveriges riksvapen Svensk författningssamling 1982:1982:268 - RiksdagenStatschefen kan ge andra medlemmar av det kungliga huset tillåtelse att som personligt vapen bruka stora riksvapnet med de ändringar och tillägg som statschefen bestämmer.Ordenskungörelse (1974:768) Svensk författningssamling 1974:1974:768 t.o.m. SFS 1995:1025 - Riksdagen1 § Inom Kungl. Serafimerorden kan utmärkelser tilldelas statschefer och därmed jämställda personer samt medlemmar av det svenska konungahuset. Förordning (1995:1025).
2 § Inom Kungl. Nordstjärneorden kan utmärkelser tilldelas medlemmar av det svenska konungahuset samt utländska medborgare som har gjort personliga insatser för Sverige eller för svenskt intresse.
Med utländsk medborgare likställs statslös som är bosatt utomlands. Förordning (1995:1025).
I am pretty sure that keeping Bernadotte as the Royal Family's name was one of the reasons why Daniel decided or was convinced to adopt his wife's name. So, yes, he was fudging the traditional dynasty naming convention in use in Europe for centuries under which Queen Estelle would belong to the House of Westling, unless she also took up her mother's name (as was decided in the main line for the Mountbatten-Windsor children, or for the Orange-Nassau).In Sweden the rule that the wife must change her name to that of her husband and not the other way around was abolished nearly 40 years ago, and nothing needed to be "fudged". I do not see why a man taking his wife's family name is more worthy of sarcasm than the reverse.
A family begins when two adults decide that they are a family. What last name (or names) they chose, if they have children and other details is just that. Details. They don't become extinct just because men and women are treated equal.
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If they do so, I suggest they also reinterpret "Royal House" as "Royal Family" to require that Madeleine's children be raised in Sweden, or that they ask for consent from the government to get married. Or, else, strip them of their succession rights.
You cannot have all the perks of being a member of the Royal House (e.g. being a prince, a duke, and a knight of the Seraphim), and any of the related obligations at the same time.