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Why not bring back Duke(ess) of Windsor
werent their articles a while back that Charles III intend to allow Charlotte a title?Totally agree.
I would limit the HRH to the heir apparent and spouse in each generation only and so remove it from ALL younger siblings and spouses.
That would then make it easier for the younger siblings to actually live a normal life with a job and no expectation of being a working royal.
werent their articles a while back that Charles III intend to allow Charlotte a title?
My suggestions:
George: at the time of his wedding: The Duke of Albany, when William is King: The Prince of Wales
Charlotte: The Princess Royal
Louis: The Duke of Clarence
I don’t think it will be his call. Her fathers maybe unless she got one on her 18th? Which again would be modernising. Why wait for marriage? What if they don’t marry?
werent their articles a while back that Charles III intend to allow Charlotte a title?
Queen Elizabeth II was the only monarch who waited until princes' wedding days to confer dukedoms on them.
All previous monarchs bestowed them while the princes were still unmarried.
Charlotte already has the title of HRH Princess.
Are you referring to this? https://www.theroyalforums.com/foru...r-the-wales-children-50443-2.html#post2568534
I think Clarence is out and the discussion is that Charlotte should be the same as her brother. As P Madeleine is hers.
Princess Royal is already a higher title in my opinion than being a duchess, so I don't see the need to create a peerage for Charlotte.
From a traditional point of view, a peerage is a higher title because it entitles the holder to legal privileges (the primary one these days being the right to stand for election to the hereditary-peer seats in the House of Lords) while Princess Royal is an empty title. In addition, peerages are traditionally hereditary while Princess Royal is only a lifetime title.
What about Duke of Windsor?
Given that Edward's ducal title was made a life peerage, the only consistent decision would be for any future royal ducal titles to also be life peerages. Edward's children already stand out in being the first and so-far only male-line grandchildren of the monarch not being treated as royal highnesses and prince(ss), so if he were to also be the only one receive a ducal life-peerage, they would even more shorthanded than they already are; instead of being at least partly the 'trailblazers' for the new generation in how the royal family goes about royal titles and peerages.
James and Louise's precedent was not applied, however, to Archie and Lilibet, who are in the same situation (grandchildren in paternal line of a sovereign). By the same logic, Edward's precedent of being granted a life dukedom will not necessarily extend to Louis or Charlotte (if Charlotte also gets a peerage, which I find highly unlikely).
James and Louise's precedent was not applied, however, to Archie and Lilibet, who are in the same situation (grandchildren in paternal line of a sovereign). By the same logic, Edward's precedent of being granted a life dukedom will not necessarily extend to Louis or Charlotte (if Charlotte also gets a peerage, which I find highly unlikely).
I honestly can't see Princess Charlotte loaded down with Titles in this day and age. HRH Princess Charlotte, The Princess Royal, AND DUCHESS of something ?
And that's now, not 25 years in the future. Many Monarchy's are scaling back Titles. Look at Denmark and Prince Edward Duke of Edinburgh, his Title reverts back to The Crown at his death.
As People are starting to ask why in Aristocratic - Noble Households ONLY the eldest son ( born in wedlock) inherits, not the eldest child. Regardless of sex.
For that reason, and others, I can't see Princess Charlotte being granted a Duchy Title in her own name too.
It is ofcourse entirely possible that when Charlotte and Louis marries - ducal titles will be regarded as a thing of the past and that their official titles will simply be
H.R.H. The Princess Charlotte, Mrs XX
and
H.R.H. The Prince Louis
It would be in line with how it is in Norway, Denmark and Belgium for example
I think they intended for it to be Harry's children too but given the 'schism' in relationships they probably thought best not to poke the bear.
Why not bring back the Dukedom of Connaught?
Why not bring back the Dukedom of Connaught?
Was created for a scandal and still associated with a major embarrassment. It wouldn't be considered a compliment to give it to anyone, male or female.
It's questioned if Duke of York will be recreated any time soon post-Andrew, and that's a title with loads of historical significance. Windsor's historical significance is limited and purely negative.
Connaught is in Ireland.
But it would used in Northern Ireland
But it would used in Northern Ireland
No it wouldn't be. Its a province of the Republic of Ireland.
Giving a title that belongs to a country they don't rule would not be proper. An Irish title would be taken from Northern Ireland.
Be as logical as trying to name them Duke of Vermont.
And Vermont is one of the US states