Toledo
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Thanks Matryoska.
This is what I was refering about when Warren hinted I was getting off topic again and mentioned
...Although the almanach's structure changed over years, it consisted essentually of three sections. The first section listed the sovereign houses of Europe. The second section included mediatized houses of German nobility. The third section included other selected families of European nobility.
This division was considered of great social significance, as nobles from the second section were considered legally equal to royals appearing in the first section. For example, if a countess from the second section married a royal from the first section, their alliance was considered equal and their children were not regarded as morganatic, retaining their succession rights. On the other hand, if a countess from the third section married a royal from the first section, their children were treated as morganatic and excluded from the succession line in most monarchies.
...The arbitrary division was a major source of frustration for those families who landed in the third section. For example, the Birons of Courland and Murats of Italy ineffectually claimed their right to be included in the second section. Moreover, most princely families of the Russian Empire were not included in the Gotha at all, while the Bagrationi of Georgia (presumed to be the oldest royal dynasty of Europe) technically deserved the place in the first section. The same may be said for the Girays of Crimea, who claimed descent from Genghis Khan.
The Gotha's condescending attitude towards Eastern European nobility and royalty led to the proliferation of German mediatized princesses in the royal houses of Europe. Another consequence was the ongoing Romanov succession dispute, as the current Head of the Russian Imperial Family is the daughter of the Romanov father and the Bagrationi princess, i.e., a morganaut according to the Gotha standards...
This is what I was refering about when Warren hinted I was getting off topic again and mentioned
Warren, the Almanach Gotha does have relevance on Maria's situation as well as the other Russian princely Houses. It's the Robert Rules of Order of all things crowned. My mistake on not staying here longer (I tend to jump thread to thread to catch up reading) to elaborate on why I posted the above on Almanach Gotha in relation to the situation of Grand Duchess Maria's Vladimirovna's status. What I read that got my attention was this paragraph on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Almanach_de_Gothawarren said:...and therefore has no relevance to Russian Princely Houses.
...Although the almanach's structure changed over years, it consisted essentually of three sections. The first section listed the sovereign houses of Europe. The second section included mediatized houses of German nobility. The third section included other selected families of European nobility.
This division was considered of great social significance, as nobles from the second section were considered legally equal to royals appearing in the first section. For example, if a countess from the second section married a royal from the first section, their alliance was considered equal and their children were not regarded as morganatic, retaining their succession rights. On the other hand, if a countess from the third section married a royal from the first section, their children were treated as morganatic and excluded from the succession line in most monarchies.
...The arbitrary division was a major source of frustration for those families who landed in the third section. For example, the Birons of Courland and Murats of Italy ineffectually claimed their right to be included in the second section. Moreover, most princely families of the Russian Empire were not included in the Gotha at all, while the Bagrationi of Georgia (presumed to be the oldest royal dynasty of Europe) technically deserved the place in the first section. The same may be said for the Girays of Crimea, who claimed descent from Genghis Khan.
The Gotha's condescending attitude towards Eastern European nobility and royalty led to the proliferation of German mediatized princesses in the royal houses of Europe. Another consequence was the ongoing Romanov succession dispute, as the current Head of the Russian Imperial Family is the daughter of the Romanov father and the Bagrationi princess, i.e., a morganaut according to the Gotha standards...
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