Benedict XVI
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I am not sure if he would have been able to hold on to everything if the had invaded.
Al_bina said:You are telling me about the repressions, as we call it, and cite Wikipedia ..? I guess I should not be surprised.
Yes, you are entitled to deify the Romanovs.
It is better for us to acknowledge a significant difference in our views on the topic and agree to disagree.
Quite honestly I am of the belief that either way, there would have been difficulties in any situation. There is a real chance that Russia would have still been under armed and untrained and there would have been a tremendous amount of death and destruction either way. I just think that had Nicholas ended up giving into the constitution in 1905 he never would have died and Russia would have been able to end up helping itself be more practical and self sufficient to meet the threat of Nazism. I am sure the Romanovs would have gladly defended Russia to the best of their ability, but I just wonder if whether or not Nicholas understood that his stubborn insistance on maintaining the autocracy would have ended up instead fostering more division. IF by then he had been a constitutional monarch, he would have ended up being an effective symbol of patriotism and the country would have been able to focus on preparing itself for possible war instead of blaming him and making him a target of hatred and resentment. Perhaps then Stalin would have been a general in the military and Lenin a brilliant strategist working on the maneuverings of soldiers and not at all working on academic papers to show support for his revolution. It all boiled down to if Nicholas had instead agreed to be a constitutional monarch and not a monarch who ended up constantly making his people a target. He could have ended up (if you can believe it) signing his autocratic rights away and effectively neutralizing the communists and their justification for revolution.The Tsar showed in WWI that he didn't care about the lives of his people - that is why he was overthrown. He would never had agreed to be a constitutional monarch - he had had a chance to do so in 1905 and he continued to take back what little power he did give away...
He was encouraged in that belief by both his mother and his wife - and considering how close they all were to the British royal family it shows a lot about what they felt about the rights of the people. Alexandra was partially raised at the court of Queen Victoria but never absorbed the lessons there of being a constitutional monarch. Their Aunt Alexandra (Queen Alexandra of the UK - aunt separately to both of them) was the perfect Queen Consort to a constitutional monarch but they saw her as weak and they distrusted Uncle Bertie who again was seen as weak.
That does make sense he didn't realize that you can't get rid of the old regime over night it takes in some cases a generation to do it. You have to replace the ones from key places but to get rid of all the old officers and generals only to replace them with undisciplined, unexperienced people who didn't car about human lives would be a nightmare. It is a spoil system that went on.doric44 said:had the czar remained on after the WW1 that would have most likely been as a constitutional monarch like the UK.
and if the Nazis had invaded Russia they wouldn't have had as much success. i don't think because Stalin before the invasion killed most of his best generals leaving him with the incompetent and the stupid making the Nazi invasion that much easier.
Perhaps in both situations the monarchs death was needed for actual change to occur, because I can't say for sure if either side would have allowed itself to become like England and give up the reigns of power.
By "deaths needing to occur" I only mean the monarch and possibly consort, not the entire family and extended family.
Though Alexandra was encouraging her husband, there is little in what I have read that Nicholas did not firmly believe in his rights as an autocrat to rule fully over his people, with or without Alexandra.
I have heard in a few classes that Stalin was much worse than Hitler, and while Hitler killed about 20million people, Stalin's was around that number or even over. I have never heard that Nicholas II was anywhere close to having killed 20 million people.
I don't hear of people blaming the kaiser for the deaths of WWI (I maybe wrong I don't know) but also Nicholas was mobilizing his army (every country in Europe did so) and on August 1, 1914 GERMANY DECLARED WAR ON RUSSIA so the deaths first of all should go on the kaiser after all so all the deaths were in defense of the mother land. Yes the person in charge should have been someone who HAD military experience but he did what he thought was right.