The Coronation of King Charles III and Queen Camilla, 6 May 2023

[Lumutqueen]

I have not had time to read through the thread, so my apologies in advance if these questions were answered earlier.

Where was the Duke of York seated in the cathedral?

Why were the Duke of Edinburgh's children (who are not working royals) included in the carriage procession, when the children of the Princess Royal and the children of the Duke of York were not?

The Duke of York was seated in the third row, sat directly behind Viscount Severn.

I don't think there is a clear answer to your second question, the travelled with the parents who are working royals. They would have alternatively had to travel in another car in the parade. The Yorks and Tindalls were in the procession but in cars, not carriages.

 

[Toledo]

It's 8:50 AM here in NY, USA. I assume is past noon time in the UK? Is there an after party tonight, or parties, all over the UK?

I see people on top of the Buckingham Palace rooftop.

 

[Mbruno]

Is the King taking the royal salute at Buckingham Palace's private gardens? Sorry, I am not familiar with that side of the building.

 

[FigTree]

It's 8:50 AM here in NY, USA. I assume is past noon time in the UK? Is there an after party tonight, or parties, all over the UK?

I see people on top of the Buckingham Palace rooftop.

Snipers.

And no. The family may have a lunch for themselves. But that is it.

 

[Toledo]

I had to switch to DW online (German live broadcast in Spanish)

 

[Durham]

I'm just watching the GB News coverage, Cameron Walker mentioned that aircrafts are going to fly overhead at around 2:30pm British Time.

Good news.

Shame about the weather. It's not been too bad so far this month. Typical!

Is the King taking the royal salute at Buckingham Palace's private gardens? Sorry, I am not familiar with that side of the building.

Yes, the west front.

 

[LaBettie]

Kate’s headwear was lovely (and not a floral mess as feared). It goes with the robes, same for the headwear of the other ladies in robes. It reminds me of what QEII’s ladies-in-waiting wore in 1953.

Glad to see Louise in something fabulous! It’s been interesting seeing her style transform through the years at royal events! I remember thinking her outfits were too childish (like keeping boys in short pants)

 

[wbenson]

The flypast is going to be helicopters and the Red Arrows only.

 

[Kenya]

As an American, I'm always so charmed and awed when the crowds are finally allowed on the Mall to make their way to the palace. Such great scenes, always. Today is no exception.

 

[fandesacs2003]

I have a stupid question as I'm not aware of Tiaras protocol. In HLM QEII coronation all aristocracy ladies worn long gowns and tiaras. Today none. Is à question of time of the event ? Or dress code given by the new King?

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[Mbruno]

As the crowd was moving along the Mall, I saw a few monarchist flags from countries where the monarchy has been abolished like the flags of the Kingdoms of Portugal and of Italy. That is curious.


EDIT: I believe I just spotted the Imperial Flag of Iran too.

 

[Somebody]

Who is the lady in a magenta pink outfit seated behind Carl Gustav and Victoria? I wondered if it was the Hereditary Princess of Liechtenstein but didn’t think she’d be seated in front of other reigning monarchs.

Edit: I’ve just seen that it is indeed the Hereditary Princess, odd seating order.

The Liechtensteins are there as a representatives of the ruling prince and should be seated according to the longevity of his reign.

However, all other heirs weren't.

They were the odd ones out: the others seemed to be seated quite logically. The heirs were processing first and seated behind the monarchs. The monarchs were ordered based on length of reign; however, Alois was treated as if he was the current monarch but based on his father's reign.

Is the curly-haired page next to George Lord Oliver Cholmondeley? He looks a lot like the Marchioness, but it's probably a coincidence if not so.

Yes, he was. The two of them were in the back (see Order of Service).

Pleased to see so much bowing and curtseying on the King and Queens way in and out of Abbey (it became almost minimal in the last decades of the last reign) . Really fit to the occasion.

Including the royal family. I assume the foreign monarchs didn't but as others pointed out, they were quite invisible during the service.

Who was Camilla curtsying to during the ceremony?

Her husband.

 

[Adda]

The Wales children couldn't be prettier. If I'm proud of George, I can't imagine what his parents feel like! Charlotte looked SO BEAUTIFUL in her McQueen gown and flower headpiece similar to that of her mummy. Louis behaved so well and looked SO CUTE in his uniform.

Also, it seems the baby of the family is more similar to his dad than we initially thought.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1654805623803109376

 

[Mbruno]

The others seemed to be seated quite logically: the heirs were processing first and seated behind the monarchs. The monarchs were ordered based on length of reign; however, Alois was treated as if he was the current monarch but based on his father's reign.

Probably because Alois is actually a Prince Regent too in addition to being the Hereditary Prince.

 

[JGio]

Was there some sort of block colour dresscode for women? Literally all foreign royal ladies are in block colours, totally matchy-matchy. No prints in sight. Wow! I like it!

 

[Alison H]

I have a stupid question as I'm not aware of Tiaras protocol. In HLM QEII coronation all aristocracy ladies worn long gowns and tiaras. Today none. Is à question of time of the event ? Or dress code given by the new King?

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I think it was the dress code given by the King. He wanted to tone things down.

 

[Alisa]

Just watched my first British coronation and all I can say is WOW!!

I absolutely loooove all the pageantry and pomp. I love the processions and marching of the armed forces.

The coronation ceremony itself was absolute perfection. The music was WONDERFUL and I enjoyed it all from Handel, Bryn Terfel, Roderick Wilson, the choir (amazing conductor!), and the angelic voices of the Ascension choir. If they made a coronation CD of the all the music I would buy it today!

I also loved Rushi Sunak's reading and the Greek Orthodox tribute.

King Charles looked very thoughtful and somber as he was very much in the moment- as he should be. I loved the "Thank you William " moment and it made me sad to think that he does not have similar closeness with Harry.
Queen Camila looked a bit anxious and nervous throughout.

The Wales family were perfect. Of course Louis had me laughing with his yawning and faces of boredom. Charlotte looked absolutely angelic. I loved that she was matching her mother who looked flawless. The Princess of Wales looked immaculate!

2 scene stealers for me where Penny Mordaunt and Maj. Johnny Thompson. Penny looked stunning and clearly "understood the assignment ". She slayed!! Major Thompson also provided the much appreciated "eye candy" that was appreciated.

 

[Yashal]

As the crowd was moving along the Mall, I saw a few monarchist flags from countries where the monarchy has been abolished like the flags of the Kingdoms of Portugal and of Italy. That is curious.


EDIT: I believe I just spotted the Imperial Flag of Iran too.

I thought that was the Mexican flag, same colours as Italy but with an Eagle in the white stripe

 

[Duc_et_Pair]

Who was Camilla curtsying to during the ceremony?

To the King.

I have a stupid question as I'm not aware of Tiaras protocol. In HLM QEII coronation all aristocracy ladies worn long gowns and tiaras. Today none. Is à question of time of the event ? Or dress code given by the new King?

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There were hardly any hereditary Peeresses in the Abbey, to begin with. And the King has set the dresscode way down compared to 1953.

 

[Mbruno]

I thought that was the Mexican flag, same colours as Italy but with an Eagle in the white stripe

The one I saw looked like a Lion rather than an eagle.

There were hardly any hereditary Peeresses in the Abbey, to begin with. And the King has set the dresscode way down compared to 1953.

I believe it would have been totally appropriate for King Willem-Alexander to wear his collar of the Garter over his morning suit as Sir John Major and Sir Tony Blair did. After all it was a collar day for the Knights of the Garter.


Of course, the collar would have looked better if they were in uniform like King Felipe VI and King Carl XVI Gustaf.

 

[Somebody]

I have not had time to read through the thread, so my apologies in advance if these questions were answered earlier.

Where was the Duke of York seated in the cathedral?

Third row on the left, next to his daughters and their husbands. In the row that also included other no-longer working royals such as Harry (and princess Alexandra). He was seated directly behind William and James.

Why were the Duke of Edinburgh's children (who are not working royals) included in the carriage procession, when the children of the Princess Royal and the children of the Duke of York were not?

It seems because they are still treated like 'children of' instead of as independent (adult - or in the case of James it would be adolescent) members of the family - and therefore comparable to their cousins.

The Duke of York was seated in the third row, sat directly behind Viscount Severn.

I don't think there is a clear answer to your second question, the travelled with the parents who are working royals. They would have alternatively had to travel in another car in the parade. The Yorks and Tindalls were in the procession but in cars, not carriages.

James is 'Earl of Wessex' nowadays

And James and Louise are treated very differently than their cousins. They were seated among the working royals (as children of their parents), included in the procession leaving the church and travelling in a carriage. All others were just considered 'members of the royal family' and grouped together when walking in and did not take part in the procession that was focused on the working members of the royal family (and fortunately included the duke and duchess of Gloucester!).

 

[Toledo]

Amazing crowd of people marching toward the Palace

 

[Adda]

Update from the Ministry of Defence

Due to unsuitable weather conditions, the Coronation flypast will now be formed of helicopters and the Royal Air Force aerobatic team The Red Arrows. The Flypast will last for two minutes and thirty seconds.

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Amazing crowd of people marching toward the Palace

Republicans are in tears, mwahahahaha.

 

[Granada]

Anyone know if any of the Lascelles Family was there ? Queen Elizabeth's Aunt, Princess Mary, descendants. The Princess Royal, Countess of Harewood.

Queen Elizabeth's other cousins are obviously there. Working members, except Prince Michael. The Dukes of Gloucester and Kent, and Princess Alexandra and Prince Michael of Kent. QEll's first cousins. Even non working Prince Michael of Kents two children are at The Coronation.

Princess Mary's two sons, (QE 1st Cousins) George and Gerald and are both dead. George Lascelles, Earl Harewood died in 2011 at age 88. He was 3 years older than Queen Elizabeth 11.

His son "David" Lascelles born in 1950 is the present Earl. Never EVER see them at any events for the extended Windsor Family such as the pre Christmas Lunch. He is 2 years younger than Charles.

The Princess Royal, Mary died at age 67 in 1965. It seems after her death The Lascelles Family dropped of Royal radar. Interesting to me the stark contrast then, between HRH and non HRH Family Members. Seems different now.

That side of the family, The Lascelles are VERY interesting.

 

[Somebody]

Probably because Alois is actually a Prince Regent too in addition to being the Hereditary Prince.

That could indeed very well be the reason (I even calculated when he became regent - but they clearly went by his father's ascension as fürst and not his start as prince regent - as he had precedent ahead of the grand duke of Luxembourg). Nonetheless, he is still no head of state.

 

[Toledo]

The Balcony event!

 

[yukari]

Okay, first: Louis, I'm so proud of you. I can't believe less than a year ago, you're such a bundle of energy high on sugar. And Charlotte, I can see that it's only possible because you take the "rein". Well done, my girl. That the big sister for you! And typical George, as usual, did a good job. (Btw, is it just me or Charlotte really gives off Princess Leia vibes?).

And the Edinburgh children, they're children no more! Lady Louise looks beautiful, I love her hat. And James,/he's taller than his father now. And top hat! He's properly a man! (You'll do well if you follow your father's fashion sense, James).

Some other things that popped up in my mind while watching the service:
- Catherine's headpiece reminds me of Lady Sarah's wedding "tiara" (I know, it's actually brooches). Anyway, if it's about cost-cutting, more than buying new headpiece, I think the Strathmore Rose tiara can do the job. Well, at least she's not in coat-dress.
- I wonder why none of the foreign royals wear their Garter robes (even Andrew was "allowed" to wear his).
- I know the theme is "diversity", but looking at the congregation, the "diversity" of what they're wearing makes me think that this is a gathering of people who just went back from different events, instead of a coronation. (William's wedding guests were also from various background and I think they were better dressed up than some of guests today).
- That lady in green with sword, she's lovely and I love her dress, but her ... décolletage is quite distracting. There's nothing wrong with the dress, in fact it'd be great for other occasion, but surround by people draped in robes (and some don't even show their necks), she looks very "noticeable".
- Camilla's coronation feels a bit too short. CMIIW, but didn't the Queen Mother's was more elaborate?
- I kind of miss the coronets. Watching the video of the late Queen's coronation, the moment where the peers put on their coronets together feels to be rather symbolic.

 

[Toledo]

Princess Catherine looks like a roman empress with her flower tiara

 

[Duc_et_Pair]

The one I saw looked like a Lion rather than an eagle.





I believe it would have been totally appropriate for King Willem-Alexander to wear his collar of the Garter over his morning suit as Sir John Major and Sir Tony Blair did. After all it was a collar day for the Knights of the Garter.


Of course, the collar would have looked better if they were in uniform like King Felipe VI and King Carl XVI Gustaf.

Well, these days "everything is possible" it seems. But until today it was out of the question to wear the grand collar of an Order (Garter, Golden Fleece, Elephant, etx.) on jacquet (morning suit). Conform British custom, the Dutch King wore medals and the breast star of the Garter. But apparently Sir John Major and Sir Tony Blair have set a new precedent: no longer grand military tenue, white tie or the Garter robes are required to wear the grand collar.

 

[sarahedwards2]

Kate’s headwear was lovely (and not a floral mess as feared). It goes with the robes, same for the headwear of the other ladies in robes. It reminds me of what QEII’s ladies-in-waiting wore in 1953.

Glad to see Louise in something fabulous! It’s been interesting seeing her style transform through the years at royal events! I remember thinking her outfits were too childish (like keeping boys in short pants)

I thought royal boys had to wear shorts until 8, so why is Louis in pants?