Ali and Rym: their backgrounds and future roles

[sommone]

No, he is only regent occasionally, when none of the other brothers are around, and beign regent is normally only for a few days at a time. But it is odd that at this moment he reverts to being a prince and not security officer even though his 'principal' is travelling which is potentially a dangerous situation. Which is why I wonder how much actual guarding responsibility he has. And I am still not convinved how popular he actually is across the board.....maybe with a certain number of teenage groupies. Now I sound very middle aged as indeed I am.

I can't say just how popular he is in Jordan...I think it was a couple of Jordanian members on here who mentioned his popularity among the youth...I know why I admire him, but then I'm only one person who is not Jordanian. What I find interesting is how some people won't leave his past alone....Sure he may have made some mistakes, but at least to my knowledge, he is doing much better. So, I hope that will continue. His past mistakes make no difference to me as long as he has learned from them.

 

[tipper]

I think you have an important point here ....does he want to spend the rest of his working life doing the job he is doing now, where he is neither security officier nor prince ? It must be very confusing, and not make for easy working relations with his colleagues. I once watched on television when it was K. Hussein's death anniversary ceremony and say his four brother lined up praying at their father's grave, and on that occasion, he was working. and then suddenly he is regent when the king is out of the country. And your remark asking if a Royal Prince needs a degree -I don't think they must have one but I think in this cut throat world they must have some form of specialisation in some field. You are wrong about only P. Charles having a degree. Off hand, so does P.Edward, all the Dutch Princes, all the Luxembourg princes, the crownprince of Belgium, the crownprince of Monaco, the crownprince of Japan, the crownprince of Bahrain, the king and the Moroccan princes, the crownprince of Norway. Crownprince Felipe went to university in the US as did princes Pavlos and Nicolas. I am pretty sure the Danes are well educated as Q. Margaretha is one of the best educated monarchs. And amongst his own brothers, P Feisal has a good degree and Princes Hamzah and Hashim also will soon. He will be in a minority even in his own family, and so if I were him, which I am glad I am not, I would at least go and do some more military training if that is where he plans to stay in his present job.

He's got a Standhurst grad, though he never did any military training, that's very odd, as all his bros has done it, I remember Hamzah and Hashim often do a military training, Hamzah even did it in Polonia and in kosovo, that's 1 thing which is very important for a Royal Prince to do-

 

[cut1me]

He's got a Standhurst grad, though he never did any military training, that's very odd, as all his bros has done it, I remember Hamzah and Hashim often do a military training, Hamzah even did it in Polonia and in kosovo, that's 1 thing which is very important for a Royal Prince to do-

do you need to a some kind of degree to be able to get into Sandhurst or is the fact that he is a prince gets him access automatically?

 

[bluetortuga]

I'm curious to see what role P. Rym will have in Jordan.

 

[suria]

I'm curious to see what role P. Rym will have in Jordan.

i think she is going to start from football as she is going to open women football game i dont think she is realy like football

 

[abir]

It is difficult to say what is suitable for P. Ali and Rym.

I think it is easy to say: a degree doesn't matter, doesn't make a good person, husband or wife. But unfortunately we don't live only with emotion, love, and so. There are many things that should be considered in everyday life.

So, if we keep emotion apart and think logicaly, I beleive when a man has lower degree than his wife, it makes situation more difficult than when she has lower degree than him. This is true in western as in eastern societies.

Love is important, but being equal in education and interests, brings harmony to the couple, and selfesteem.

 

[abir]

I want to say some thing about having a degree, there is a theory that I believe in, may be we can call it the roles theory , according to which the value of any person in the society is determined by his work - what she/he did for the society, every one has role in this life so the educated person has the same value as the farmer for example as long as each of them is doing his role, but unfortunatly in most societies being educated or intellectual give you a brivilage , in the same time where the need of a farmer or a seller...etc, even without a degree is not less. Unfortunatly too that we the educated along with intellectuals try to preserve our brivilages by promoting the idea that the educated are superiors, through media, press and books, that -unfortunatly too- we do monopolize.

Reflecting that on P Ali case, he has a job, he make very useful task in football federation...still (need) a degree?

I do agree about some of what you said: it's important to have a job, either by being educated with a degree or just a farmer without a degree, since in each case they bring something useful to people.

But the question that we have to ask is how much important the job we are doing, and specialy when the person who does this job has power and possibilty to do better. So what does football bring to people and how much does affect their lifes?

 

[suria]

I do agree about some of what you said: it's important to have a job, either by being educated with a degree or just a farmer without a degree, since in each case they bring something useful to people.

But the question that we have to ask is how much important the job we are doing, and specialy when the person who does this job has power and possibilty to do better. So what does football bring to people and how much does affect their lifes?

i want to say that what P A occupied now is more that any one else i mean he appear too much on TV as a bodygaurd and as a prince you feel how much they recpect him when he is travling with the king waht is requiered from him is more than that but i think he started to put his foot in the right way

 

[Safaa Batin]

I do agree about some of what you said: it's important to have a job, either by being educated with a degree or just a farmer without a degree, since in each case they bring something useful to people.

But the question that we have to ask is how much important the job we are doing, and specialy when the person who does this job has power and possibilty to do better. So what does football bring to people and how much does affect their lifes?

the effect of football is the effect of sport, knowing that football i the most popular sport.
beside being the national passion and a symbol of the national character, sport develops strong ,healthy and confident individuals, so productive citizens.
sport has the power to raise aspiration, inspire generations, and affect the communities , it has effect on culture and values.
Some believe that international sport competetions are important part of the foreign policy.
Besides it is the source of income of the players.

 

[abir]

the effect of football is the effect of sport, knowing that football i the most popular sport.
beside being the national passion and a symbol of the national character, sport develops strong ,healthy and confident individuals, so productive citizens.
sport has the power to raise aspiration, inspire generations, and affect the communities , it has effect on culture and values.
Some believe that international sport competetions are important part of the foreign policy.
Besides it is the source of income of the players.

Again, I do agree about what you said, healthy brain bcuz of a healthy body.
But I am thinking about what jordanian people do need beside football. I don't think football does occupied their thinking all the time, and not all do gain their lives from football.

People have daily needs and problems, they watch football only the weekends and doesn't occupied them whole day. So it's petty that the prince is busy only in football and nothing more, something more fruitful to the majority of jordanian people.​

 

[tipper]

Again, I do agree about what you said, healthy brain bcuz of a healthy body.
But I am thinking about what jordanian people do need beside football. I don't think football does occupied their thinking all the time, and not all do gain their lives from football.

People have daily needs and problems, they watch football only the weekends and doesn't occupied them whole day. So it's petty that the prince is busy only in football and nothing more, something more fruitful to the majority of jordanian people.​

well, ppl in Jordan are so similar to ppl in my town and surroundings, of course we have been an Arabic colony for so long... so I know that football is 1 of the most important things in the life of ppl who are unemployed and try to forget misery and troubles watching and talking about their pref team. Ali is doing a great job, I'm sure he knows that, by supporting Jordanian teams, he's also helping his ppl.

 

[abir]

well, ppl in Jordan are so similar to ppl in my town and surroundings, of course we have been an Arabic colony for so long... so I know that football is 1 of the most important things in the life of ppl who are unemployed and try to forget misery and troubles watching and talking about their pref team. Ali is doing a great job, I'm sure he knows that, by supporting Jordanian teams, he's also helping his ppl.

what?
in that way helping ppl who are unemployed and try to forget misery and troubles watching and talking about their pref team ?????????

maybe u are right, but I don't know if ali thinks the same.
to me, in that way he is not helping ppl to SOLVE their problems. he is helping only to forget about them and not speak about them.
If this is the pusrpose, then it's also very logical

 

[Safaa Batin]

yes he is he gose with him where everr king A goes and he is the head of his security forces

I just read some whre that prince Ali is:
يحمل لقب كبير مرافقي الملك و مستشاره للشؤون العسكرية

I dont know the exact translation but i will try to an give idea:

<<holding the title of the senior fellow of the king and his consultant in military affairs>>

 

[abir]

I just read some whre that prince Ali is:
يحمل لقب كبير مرافقي الملك و مستشاره للشؤون العسكرية

I dont know the exact translation but i will try to an give idea:

<<holding the title of the senior fellow of the king and his consultant in military affairs>>

"The senior fellow of the king" this can be ok, but "his consultant in military affairs" ?! Do you know if P. Ali has experience in military affairs? Did he follow courses in military school?

 

[cut1me]

"The senior fellow of the king" this can be ok, but "his consultant in military affairs" ?! Do you know if P. Ali has experience in military affairs? Did he follow courses in military school?

well Ali graduated from Sandhurst so he must have some kind of military training

 

[shelley]

well Ali graduated from Sandhurst so he must have some kind of military training

I do not think he has undergone any further training after the basic Sandhurst course. He certainly is not a Staff College graduate, despite the rank he holds.

 

[Safaa Batin]

I do not think he has undergone any further training after the basic Sandhurst course. He certainly is not a Staff College graduate, despite the rank he holds.

No body in the king security who did not a very extremely hard special training, it is a very strong training in jordan and people from other arab and non arab countries come to make it here including British. I know some one who was in the security, very difficult criteria is used to chose the officers from the military to join this training ( other than the hard training that they had before and in the army),after passing the training only the best of them became security guard , with some period under test.

 

[shelley]

No body in the king security who did not a very extremely hard special training, it is a very strong training in jordan and people from other arab and non arab countries come to make it here including British. I know some one who was in the security, very difficult criteria is used to chose the officers from the military to join this training ( other than the hard training that they had before and in the army),after passing the training only the best of them became security guard , with some period under test.

You are quite right, Safa, that the training a royal guard needs is different to other . I was wondering at the advisor part of his job as described. That would need further courses such as Staff College.

 

[suria]

I do not think he has undergone any further training after the basic Sandhurst course. He certainly is not a Staff College graduate, despite the rank he holds.

well he is the best to be beside king abdullah and he surly trust him on his own life so he must be qualified and he must show a lot of good skills to be in this position.

 

[Safaa Batin]

You are quite right, Safa, that the training a royal guard needs is different to other . I was wondering at the advisor part of his job as described. That would need further courses such as Staff College.

yes, I think that too, consultant is too much, that needs long experience.

 

[abir]

yes, I think that too, consultant is too much, that needs long experience.

It seems very easy to distribute titles and to remove others.
Do you think PA titles are only honorary? or there is someone else who is the real consultant to KA?
or there is a consulant to the consultant of KA?

 

[abir]

I heard P. Rym will keep working on journalism after her marriage. She was with P. Ali, KA and QR at the Foreign Press Association Media Awards. Do you have an idea in which field of journalism Rym will work? Thanks.

 

[sommone]

I heard P. Rym will keep working on journalism after her marriage. She was with P. Ali, KA and QR at the Foreign Press Association Media Awards. Do you have an idea in which field of journalism Rym will work? Thanks.

I heard the same thing, Abir. I even posted it in the last PR and PA thread, but I haven't heard any more on the subject. I guess we will have to wait and see.

 

[abir]

I heard the same thing, Abir. I even posted it in the last PR and PA thread, but I haven't heard any more on the subject. I guess we will have to wait and see.

Thanks some1. Yes we have to wait and see but I love to know what she will do specially she is now a member of JRF, so it's not easy to be subjective if she choose analysing Jordan and JRF. I think she will do something different and which will please KA and QR.

 

[suria]

Thanks some1. Yes we have to wait and see but I love to know what she will do specially she is now a member of JRF, so it's not easy to be subjective if she choose analysing Jordan and JRF. I think she will do something different and which will please KA and QR.

sure she will i think she will know how to work while she is a member of the RJF i mean she is smart but why she want to keep working in press she is a princess now she can do many things

 

[cut1me]

Happy Bday Prince Ali

A while back people were talking about how P.Ali never graduated from university. In the articles that Jordan times and Petra wrote about P.Ali bday they say he went to columbia and princeton.

Is it just my imagination or is this article more detailed than previous ones?

 

[suria]

A while back people were talking about how P.Ali never graduated from university. In the articles that Jordan times and Petra wrote about P.Ali bday they say he went to columbia and princeton.

Is it just my imagination or is this article more detailed than previous ones?

yes you are right this is more obviuos one and yes this shows how much educated he is and
HAPPY BDAY PRINCE ALI

 

[kinneret5764]

yes you are right this is more obviuos one and yes this shows how much educated he is and
HAPPY BDAY PRINCE ALI

He attended Columbia and Orinceton but he never graduated from either institution. Unfortunately, that means he dropped out of college.

 

[abir]

He attended Columbia and Orinceton but he never graduated from either institution. Unfortunately, that means he dropped out of college.

I thought the same. There is a huge difference between "attended" and "graduated from".

 

[suria]

General Questions about Faisal, Ali, Hamzah, Hashim & their families

look what did i find

3) Lieutenant-Colonel Prince Ali bin Hussain, born at Amman on 23rd December 1975 A.D (s/o Queen Alia) and married at Paris, France on 23rd April 2004 A.D (Nikah) to Princess Rym (born in 1969 A.D), daughter of Dr Lakhdar Brahimi, sometime Algerian Minister for Foreign Affairs, Assistant Sec-Gen of the UN and UN Special Representative to Haiti, South Africa, Zaire, Yemen, Liberia, Afghanistan, and Iraq, by his wife, a Croatian lady.
PR born on 1969 which means she is older than PA by six years
the website is
http://www.gilani.com.pk/kings/kingsjordan.htm
you can find it their