Muhler
Imperial Majesty
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Well, they certainly had an interest in being seen as direct descendants of the gods. Or at the very least being okayed by the gods.
Whether it would have been seen as blasphemy to claim descendency of the gods back then is anyone's guess.
But what is certain is that the Danish monarchy is several hundred years older than what is official today. I.e. starting with Gorm the Old.
There are several historical examples of constructions and organization on such a large scale that it would have been supported by most of what was then Denmark.
Most likely DK was a collection of minor kingdoms and chiefdoms, that intermarried and fought for power, sometimes cooperating, sometimes splitting up. Charlemange and his descendants were certainly instrumental in Denmark being unified under one king, Harald Bluetooth. Although it can be questioned how big his political power really was. But certainly by the time of Knud den Store, who in Britain is known as Canute Denmark was an established kingdom. (*)
Anyway, Gorm the Old was hardly just a random chieftain. It is more than likely that he belonged to extended family of powerful lords, who each controlled parts of Denmark. Sometimes under an overlord - a king.
What is also interesting is that by the time Denmark began to become a nation Thor, Freja, Odin and all the other Nordic gods, were proto-gods.
That is the Nordic/Viking religious universe was only being developed.
While Odin (really a Germanic god, covering a large part of north and central Europe) was no doubt the top-god. Thor and Freja, Tyr, Loke, Balder, Heimdal and so on were probably more local and likely started out as a kind of spirits, evolving into local gods and then into Nordic gods.
But back to Gorm the Old and the DRF. About 20-25 years ago they found his grave and by permission of QMII examined the remains and did DNA testing as well. - He turned out to be around 45 years old IIRC.
But if you one day compared the DNA of QMII and Gorm the Old, there would hardly be any match.
Too long time has passed. And Danish kings certainly from around 1200 onward married foreigners and the crown at times changed between various branches of the extended DRF family. - Not to mention Struensee in the 1700's...
So while QMII can track her family linage through the many winding twigs of a large tree back to Gorm the Old, her DNA is another matter.
(*) The story about him ordering the sea to retreat is in Britain seen as an example of arrogance. In Denmark that is seen as an example of modesty and being pious. Here Knud ordered the sea to retreat to show that God was above him and that he, a mere man, did not have godly powers.
Whether it would have been seen as blasphemy to claim descendency of the gods back then is anyone's guess.
But what is certain is that the Danish monarchy is several hundred years older than what is official today. I.e. starting with Gorm the Old.
There are several historical examples of constructions and organization on such a large scale that it would have been supported by most of what was then Denmark.
Most likely DK was a collection of minor kingdoms and chiefdoms, that intermarried and fought for power, sometimes cooperating, sometimes splitting up. Charlemange and his descendants were certainly instrumental in Denmark being unified under one king, Harald Bluetooth. Although it can be questioned how big his political power really was. But certainly by the time of Knud den Store, who in Britain is known as Canute Denmark was an established kingdom. (*)
Anyway, Gorm the Old was hardly just a random chieftain. It is more than likely that he belonged to extended family of powerful lords, who each controlled parts of Denmark. Sometimes under an overlord - a king.
What is also interesting is that by the time Denmark began to become a nation Thor, Freja, Odin and all the other Nordic gods, were proto-gods.
That is the Nordic/Viking religious universe was only being developed.
While Odin (really a Germanic god, covering a large part of north and central Europe) was no doubt the top-god. Thor and Freja, Tyr, Loke, Balder, Heimdal and so on were probably more local and likely started out as a kind of spirits, evolving into local gods and then into Nordic gods.
But back to Gorm the Old and the DRF. About 20-25 years ago they found his grave and by permission of QMII examined the remains and did DNA testing as well. - He turned out to be around 45 years old IIRC.
But if you one day compared the DNA of QMII and Gorm the Old, there would hardly be any match.
Too long time has passed. And Danish kings certainly from around 1200 onward married foreigners and the crown at times changed between various branches of the extended DRF family. - Not to mention Struensee in the 1700's...
So while QMII can track her family linage through the many winding twigs of a large tree back to Gorm the Old, her DNA is another matter.
(*) The story about him ordering the sea to retreat is in Britain seen as an example of arrogance. In Denmark that is seen as an example of modesty and being pious. Here Knud ordered the sea to retreat to show that God was above him and that he, a mere man, did not have godly powers.